Why is there no Antigerman Anarchism?

Submitted by sagb in AskRaddle

As in:

Anti-Antisemitist Anti-Imperialist Anti-Colonialist Anti-Fascist Anti-Racist Anti-Capitalist Anti-Statist Anarchism

Background: Art exhibition in Kassel invited antisemitic group portraying meter-sized wall of condensed antisemitic and antizionist depictions (Mossad with SS-runes and much more). Kassel is also important for Anti-Imps, Anti-Mils and activists because weapons manufacturer Rheinmetall, natural gas and oil producer Wintershall as well as VW reside or produce there.

Back in /r/anarchism I've seen some major antisemitic and or racist takes on the Gaza strip, Jerusalem, various ethnic groups, organisations, states in, of or referencing "the" area(s), effectively querfronting with Nazis.

How does post-left anarchism deal with antisemitism?

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Styx wrote

How does post-left anarchism deal with antisemitism?

Well, not by making Germans/Germany uniquely responsible for it!

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Styx wrote

Also, that banner was made, weirdly enough, by an Indonesian artist --> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/21/germany-art-show-covers-up-work-after-antisemitism-complaints

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sagb OP wrote

Can you explain why the nationality is important here (aside from context)?

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Styx wrote

Besides bringing it up in relation to your idea of 'antigerman anarchism,' I also don't think there are that many Jews in Indonesia, which made me think how strange it is that an Indonesian collective would make such a blatantly antisemitic work. But now reading more about it, it looks like they are doing it to express their solidarity with the Palestinian people. Still, this was a terrible idea.

Here's some more written about the build-up to the removal of that banner --> https://hyperallergic.com/731510/documenta-curators-rebut-bad-faith-antisemitism-allegations/

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sagb OP wrote

https://www.belltower.news/kommentar-die-documenta-15-kann-beim-besten-willen-keinen-antisemitismus-erkennen-133549/

Maybe you can translate this.

...not that many Jews in Indonesia

Antisemitism without Jews exists.

I'm unsure about this, but I say antigerman anarchism in a way to find an alternative to antinational anarchism, since many national liberation movements are considered anarchist. Logic is, that in a different topic Anti-[Country different as Germany] Anarchism would be relevant.

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Styx wrote

But an alternative to what you call 'antinational anarchism' is anarchism. I don't know a single 'national liberation movement' that is actually anarchist. This is mostly a Marxist arena since the very idea of 'nation' (which really is just a bit more poetic way of saying the 'state') is antithetical to anarchism.

As for that Indonesia point, we are getting entangled in what was me just being surprised that very 'European' anti-semitic tropes travelled as far as Southeastern Asia. It also proves my point that you can't pin anti-semitism down on a specific country when it's a transnational phenomenon.

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sagb OP wrote (edited )

Agree, but how can I interpret this then?

"Beyond nationalism, but not without it" - Ashanti Alston | https://libcom.org/article/beyond-nationalism-not-without-it

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Styx wrote (edited )

Well they tell you how to understand it:

But because of the totally racist, genocidal dynamic within this Babylonian Empire, the black nationalist understood that we must…we must…we must primarily look to ourselves to free ourselves. Point blank.

They, also, looked at what the nationalist groups were doing in their actual grassroots practice, like creating concrete defenses against repression and alternatives in survival institutions. Thus, they liked what the Panthers were doing on the ground through their programs and supported that kind of nationalism as being compatible with "anarchism on the ground."

This rambles, right? My apologies. I end this by advising: WHITE ANARCHISTS, DEAL WITH BEING THE BEST ANTI-RACIST ALLIES YOU CAN. WE NEED YOU BUT WE WILL DO THIS SHIT WITHOUT YOU.

I only skimmed through it, but it seems to me that what the author calls 'nationalism' is closer to a secluded 'community' than to what we, the glorious 'Europeans,' would understand under that term. I personally think that any of these historically marginalised and incredibly brutalised groups should be free to do whatever the fuck they want to do without having to deal with yet another person whitesplaining to them why it's wrong or not ideologically 'pure' or whatever else.

You have to understand what they have been through, and how often they've been betrayed by the self-proclaimed allies. I'm actually shocked at how 'controversial' this seems to be, primarily on r/@. Why would I want to force myself upon someone who doesn't want me in their proximity, even if it's for the flimsiest of reasons? How's me insisting that I must be included in someone else's affairs in line with the free association? Do I also have to sleep with someone whom I don't fancy because of 'anarchism' or something? Anyway, this person and their ideas are not a threat to a Jewish community, or any other minority (at least not that I can see), so I'm not sure why you forwarded this to me.

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AnarchyPull wrote

You mean the AntiDeutsch one? There's some "Anarchists" that are AntiDeutsch, although I think zionism is cringe nationalism and favoring a state in favour of others is anti-anarchist (as states are a hierarchy.)

How does post-left anarchism deal with antisemitism?

The critique of hierarchy? I mean if it's bad enough you probably are going to beat up that nazi, aren't you?

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sagb OP wrote (edited )

AntiDeutsch, Nationalism

Antideutscher Anarchismus is what I actually meant and consider it rejecting states, without falling for neither zionism nor antizionism.

Antisemitism goes beyond Nazism and far into leftism as well as anarchism. Yes, I would punch Nazis and Bakunin.

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AnarchyPull wrote

well if you mean hating the concept of the country Deutschland and its culture then you got a comrade here.

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ziq wrote

Because settler colonial zionism isn't anarchist.

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