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ziq wrote

why would a dominant group with all the privileges in the world need special rights separate from the rights of marginalized groups?

rights are a ridiculous concept anyway. the only people who can grant rights are the people in power i.e. men

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subrosa wrote

Men's Rights

Bit of a redundancy there.

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subrosa wrote

Old subrosa throwing out "severely haunted", that made me chuckle. I'd formulate my thoughts on rights differently these days, but thanks for the inclusion in this first draft of the wiki :)

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zoom_zip wrote

the same thoughts i have about any other rights

they’re an illusion dangled over us

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ziq wrote (edited )

i figured you would. can you update it? i'm currently updating mine since it's 5 years old and basic

also help me decide which of the comments I listed should be the first one (best as an intro) and if there are any good comments from outside raddle (like r/anarchy101) I can use

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MHC wrote

I often find myself surrrounded by the other gender.

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veuzi wrote

Criticism of "rights" aside, the modern Men's Rights movement grew out of the culture wars of the early 10s and is closely linked to MGTOW, incels and the so-called "manosphere". It is distinct from the Men's Liberation movement which is intersectional and feminist but focused on men's issues.

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bloodrose wrote

If the only time you are talking about your "rights" is as rebuttal to someone else talking about their lack thereof, you are not interested in your "rights" but are instead interested in keeping the others silent.

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Styx wrote (edited )

OH NO! Look, it's SureShot who just a week ago was policing how black women reflect upon their oppression and now, so bravely -- so valiantly -- stands up for black men! How curious!!

And you know what's even more curious? Out of literal gazillions of documented cases of black men (or really any non-white/non-wealthy men) being killed on the spot just because a white woman batted her eyelashes in their direction, you chose the extremely rare case of a white woman being punished for her racism by losing not just her job but even her fucking dog!

Do us a favour, SureShot, and please take your bigotry somewhere else. It's really pungent!

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SnowCode wrote

Look at statistics, men almost always own more property, are in more positions of power, get more money, etc. And this is not even taking into account the time women spend on unpaid work like taking care of children and the house which is also disproportional. There are many more contexts in which men are more privileged than women, but I'm not going to list them all.

So yes, men are dominant and privileged in this society.

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SnowCode wrote

They are people running the world, mostly the people who own the big companies and are at the top of governments as they are the ones who do the decisions for everyone else. Men represents ~87% of the top 0.1% income in the world and 71% of the top 10%.

In terms of political decisions: only 25% of all the national parliamentarians are women and just 26 women serving as head of state or government in 24 countries.

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Styx wrote

Okay, I'm not particularly sure why I brought it up. But one way or another, I find the idea of all men in general ruling the world and having all the privileges to be very odd.

Of course, you do. You are a misogynist.

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__0 wrote

Try talking to the women in your life, try asking them about times that they had to do more at work than their male co workers, or times they were second guessed, or assumed to be wrong on basis of being women, honestly the best thing you can do is listen, almost woman I've dated has been against some truly frustrating and often demeaning situations at work and dealing with family; situations that would never happen to a cis man.

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deeppurplehazedream wrote

Rights are privileges disguised and justified as abstract universal individual freedoms which also justifies a hierarchical social ordering or organization.

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aaaaarg wrote

Is it misogynist?

Yes

It's also a disaster for men, it fails on it's own terms while undermining the possibility of integrating 100+ years of feminist discourse into questioning whats wrong with the male experience and imagining what it could become.

If they were serious about any of this, not just a horny death cult, they'd be a prison abolition movement.

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subrosa wrote

:)

A comment or two of yours balanced the shit I was getting from Marxists, elsewhere. Just a little support or gesture of appreciation here and there can make all the difference.

Writing with u/ziq could be real interesting, I feel there's potential to balance each other out without softening any punches. I'm up for a lengthy back-and-forth, to see if we can put together something acidic for all the comfortably based anarchists. Some time.

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ziq wrote

Any topic ideas? There's always that police essay i could never finish. The value of chaos, george carlin: the greatest anarchist of his time, death and its consequences (there's a great carlin quote about bulldozing the graveyards to build homes for the homeless), marriage, land and identity, collapse

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subrosa wrote

My ideas on identity are shaping up to something, and that oughta get spicy for sure. On chaos our differences could produce a 'creative' tension.

I have some notes and drafts somewhere that could be places to start. But idk, I'll let it sit for a bit and get back to you. Spent enough time in my head for today, I need to get out.

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fortifiedmischief wrote

unsolicited peanut gallery opinions: i like...
value of chaos,
identity (perhaps a broader take that involves "land and identity" but not limited to it),
george carlin (and other sneaky/not sneaky anarchist comedians in the public sphere?),
also a further exploration of desires replacing rights (cause I liked what you both were saying about that already)

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