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lettuceLeafer OP wrote

Woof, you would have to what the majority thinks back then. Those sound like dark times. I like cranky ziq who many dislike way better.

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ziq wrote (edited )

the tragic irony of radicalconstructivist / splinglebot pretending ableism croc tears isn't a thing that exists on this site when they themself tried to shame me into banning someone for calling them "basic" and someone else for saying "maybe you don't understand".

https://raddle.me/f/ToSBreaches/106341/ableism-by-u-lastfutures-no-action-needed

https://raddle.me/f/ToSBreaches/106913/-/comment/166094

...While they're constantly coming here to defend the honor of a person that has engaged in actual, deeply harmful ableism on this site and in chat rooms at least 20 times that I know of.

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lettuceLeafer OP wrote

If I try and think about why clouds and her friends do what the do I allways get extremely confused I honestly can't empathize. If I try and think about their motivations I just get caught in a cycl of confusion. So this comment is pretty spot on to how I feel.

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emoticons wrote

yes I don't blame u, u gotta have some of indoctrination to comprehend it. leftists have this performative wokeness where they pretend they r nice ppl when Then they call the ppl they dislike reactionaries. they do this 2 make themselves look good and not bc they wanna end oppression. and clouds forbid you refuse to play 2 their personalities lest you become the next smeared transphobe.

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ziq wrote

seriously, you were part of that crowd, is it just a weird personality cult or what? does her constant repeating of 100% pure bullshit in that echo chamber chat room just seep into people's brains until they embody her narrative as dogma?

but then why do they echo her victim complex years later in random unrelated threads? how can they care that much that someone else was sent nasty pms by a shoplifter here 3 years ago for a week, before we changed the code to allow users to block pms? is it really that traumatic for people who know her that they can't help but create opportunities to bring it up over and over and over and over again? wtf is going on here, I really want to understand

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emoticons wrote

yes this's weird bc i moved on fairly quickly after that crowd. I saw u in the other thread with their next struggle session and i was p shocked 4 seeing this behaviour.

it could that radicalconstructivist learnt this behaviour from seeing clouds doing it over and over and over again Lol

ik they r causing problematic 4 u and sorry abt this struggle sesh btw. I was do commenting here bc radicalconstructivist were alot annoy me w how they're not listening u

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ziq wrote (edited )

There's really no way to communicate with someone that deeply indoctrinated into the clouds cult. They're just lost.

The most annoying thing is how they try to weasel out of their rhetoric when they realize how stunned everyone around them is, and pretend e.g. they didn't want me to ban the people they were making tos_breaches threads about and attacking me all over the site and in the chat rooms for not taking action to stop their 'ableism'. Or in this thread where they call their driving obsession with 'titan' a 'silly throwaway joke' after flipping out on me for responding to it.

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ziq wrote (edited )

(responding to both your messages here since the other post is deleted)

I'm really getting sick of having to rehash this every 6 months. How can you people still be this pissed off about a random troll from 3 years ago? Isn't it enough that anyone who even talked like him or had been friendly with him was banned on sight, that registrations were closed for weeks, that a censor was added to the code to make sure no one could use slurs, that his IPs were all given to clouds, that we wiped out his favorite forum, that we disabled sending of pms, that we added user blocking? That it's been 3 YEARS since any of this happened? What more do you want from me??

She wasn't the only one targeted

I don't remember if that's true and I don't care. I didn't say she was the only one targeted, but she's certainly the only reason it's still a topic of conversation 3 years later.

child porn

There was nothing like that in the pms. She showed me the pms. It was transphobia, death threats and suicide goading. All things your hero does to people too btw (e.g: me).

after the troll left and there was no longer a bogeyman to use to villainize all the shoplifters, Team Struggle instead switched to demanding the forum be deleted for ableism (people saying 'that's dumb', 'wow, crazy', 'so stupid', what a dumbass') and when I pointed out your crowd used the exact same words and linked to examples, all I heard was crickets.

But ok let's just pretend the shoplifting saga started and ended with clouds vs. titan and continue to wallow in this endless rehashing of a 2 week-long period in history. You seem to need it, and who am I to deny you your ziq oppressed clouds by not doing enough to protect her fix.

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TheFacelessFace wrote

Are you trying to please people on here??

Tsk. Tsk.

Your attempts at satisfying their concerns are likely being received as attempts to rob them of their indignation!

I don't want to be satisfied, I want to be indignant! This shall not stand! (/s)

XD

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ziq wrote (edited )

we changed the code to disable pms a few hours after the complaint. so a lot less than 2 weeks

after that point, the troll had no ability to continue pming her, so there was nothing left to do

but then any random troll that came to the site got labelled 'titan' by clouds gang to keep the victim complex going even tho it was clear titan had moved on (he pmed everyone on f/shoplifting and got them to move to his private chat room). none of the trolls after that point had anything in common with titan, whether posting style, language, ip range or trolling tactics. they also had no connection to f/shoplifting, which was already a wasteland by that point

then the 'f/shoplifting is ableist' campaign started because the few lifters that remained used the same casual ableist words that all the american anarchists on the site used, which soon led to the forum being purged because of all the faux outrage and multiple attempts to destroy the site/me over it

amazing i still need to talk about this years later

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[deleted] wrote

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ziq wrote (edited )

the original titan accounts and the accounts he later made to evade his ban used tor. the accounts that sent the pms and spammed the site with slurs for days used a vpn (the same vpn that all the clouds alts used, even the same ip a few times, which clouds explained away by saying those clouds alts were titan in disguise)

stop talking about shit you know nothing about you giant shill

Why? What possible motive would people have had to purge a forum for literally no reason?

all clouds and co did here was orchestrate giant struggle sessions to purge everyone not in their clique so they could feed their egos ffs. the fact that you deny it demonstrates how lost you are

just stop coming here, i don't want to look at you. you weren't even here when all this happened and you're repeatedly calling me a liar for laying out the exact chain of events for you and posting archives to prove it

just like you call your former friend a liar for doing nothing more than pasting clouds's abusive ableism and death threats from the chat room. imagine thinking you're in the right for banning her for exposing bigotry, stalking, harassment and abuse. she did what any anarchist would do

Titan did not leave.

Yes he did. I didn't say he left right away so idk what linking to that proves. We banned anyone that talked like him until he finally gave up and made his own platform, but by that point the forum was hanging on by a thread because of all the drama

here's the chain of events again in full and for the last time

  1. for months, clouds was making dozens of alts to spam the whole site with thousands of comments and posts saying the same sentences over and over again, typically accusing people (both anarchists and lifters) of being transphobes with no cause, but also suicide goading and open ableism, for which she's warned by admins after n_n objects to it

  2. Titan_of_thieves says that they steal for greed and not for anticapitalism. This infuriates clouds, n_n and co, so they make a meta thread to get him banned for not caring about the revolution or whatever. The ban proposal fails and titan gloats about it to the other lifters, which further infuriates clouds and n_n, who again try to ban him, this time for gloating. it fails again.

  3. n_n starts spamming the shoplifting forum non stop, yelling abuse at everyone and demanding dozens of people be banned for nonsense reasons (most often for objecting to the spam or for objecting to their demands that everyone be banned, but also for using words like 'fool', 'dumb', 'stupid'),

  4. n_n and clouds then attack the mods of the forum and the admins for not doing what they demand and for enabling ableism

  5. I point out to n_n that clouds and others in their group are continuing to use ableist attacks against their enemies, including directly mocking people's ability and using ableist terms, to which n_n doesn't respond.

  6. a mod (bandit) bans n_n for trolling the shit out of their forum. the bandit account was a shared account that at least 8 people had the password to

  7. clouds gang turn on bandit and declare them a reactionary and a transphobe for banning n_n and demand they be banned from the site

  8. clouds hijacks the mod account (one of her friends gave her the password), renames it, changes the password, and starts saying 'i'm a cuck i'm a reactionary' with it, and then uses it to say some ableist (?) shit which is deleted (i was asleep so idk what they said exactly)

  9. n_n doesn't realize clouds is the person now in control of bandit and accuses bandit (clouds) of being a reactionary ableist transphobe etc for saying whatever they said

  10. I wake up and the site is completely flooded with clouds spam, n_n rage and several people in your group calling for my head, saying i was the person who renamed the shared mod account and used it to say 'i'm a cuck' and ableist things to n_n even though it was like 4 in the morning in my time zone when it happened and it was completely obvious it was clouds, which she later admitted to me in private

  11. An admin bans the word 'cuck' from being used on the site because it's racist and clouds throws it at all her enemies

  12. more throwaways are made using the same vpn as the 200 clouds alts used but with variations of 'titan' in their usernames. they send abusive pms to clouds. clouds responds by making dozens more accounts to spam the site and call everyone transphobes. she shows me suicide goading pms from throwaways and within hours we ban titan_of_thieves and his other known accounts, all the pming throwaways, change the code so pms can be disabled, among other things. but this isn't enough for her because f/shoplifting still exists and her and the clique have decided they won't be happy unless the forum is deleted

  13. Titan_of_thieves make a new account to insist to me that he didn't make the accounts that attacked clouds. I compare the ips and see his confirmed accounts are all using tor, while the pm accounts aren't (they're using a vpn). But it's not enough proof and he's a rich dipshit so I ignore him.

  14. n_n starts making threads attacking me, calling me a piece of shit, and saying i'm not protecting raddle from ableism, despite clouds and co engaging in far worse ableism than any of the lifters

  15. eventually all this leads to clouds gang getting popular support to ban the forum. i offer a compromise and rename it, delete thousands of posts, change the sidebar, demod all the lifters, mod my alt, make a sticky demanding no one use ableist terms, make clear non-socialists are no longer welcome, ban scores of lifters for the tiniest offenses, and effectively kill the already rotting corpse

i'm done losing sleep over this, mention clouds or titan again outside of this thread and i'm banning you

you're in a cult and it's gross

Edit: added a point or 5 as I remembered more, reread

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temperedgradient wrote

Here's a twist, an old reactionary boomer defending another old reactionary boomer.

ziq is titan.

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ziq wrote

i'm a millennial

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kin wrote

This generational division is invented to sell stuff..

Like the concept os teenager being invented to sell CocaCola and Jeans to James Dean fans

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ziq wrote (edited )

I didn't even really want them banned, I was just throwing a days-long tantrum over them calling me basic and castigating you for not punishing them for it (but not by banning them of course, no no no, I just wanted you to give them a stern talking to).

you wanted them banned, stop it

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