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tuesday wrote (edited )
Doing deep dives with regards to prison abolition and creating restorative justice systems I do a lot of thinking about "evil fucks and other assholes" and also just as an anarchist in general who quotes Proudhon despite the man being incredibly vocally antisemitic.
People fuck up real bad and it's important to hold people to account for the harm they've done. In general we need to just be clear and call out things.
I like Rancid's music. Tim Armstrong fucked a child, abused her through their marriage, and then proceeded to ruin her career in retaliation. So when people are like "yeah I love Rancid" I chime in with "oh, me too. But Tim......" and call it out.
And then I think that we need to be wary of the ways that the media that we're consuming isn't normalizing or further perpetuating harm or that if it is that we're being critical and calling out what we see when we see it.
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tuesday wrote
I wish I could remember what I read that shifted my thoughts about this, it was something when I was building a community restoration process for a housing co-op. It was a piece by a group who was doing the same work my org was doing and they had written about why they stopped considering people who perpetuate harm as "perpetrators," like people who've committed something and instead frames them as people who perpetuate harm, which is an attempt to recognize the systems that we live in as causal to the harm this person did.
We've all been enculturated in these systems of harm and community restoration is supposed to be a process to help undo that enculturation to bring the person back into community with a better understanding of the positions of privilege they hold, a greater awareness of the power that affords them, and hopefully the ability to understand the ways that they've recreated these harm cycles in their own life.
Of course Joss Whedon isn't going to do any of that. And I don't personally enjoy his work anymore, knowing what I know about him. But I don't know that we can and always should dismiss an entire person because they've been party to some horrific things. I don't know how restorative justice works then.
metocin wrote
yeah I really liked some of rancids songs but after learning that, I just can't vibe with the music the same.
tuesday wrote (edited )
I'm ashamed to admit that I was all in for Rancid until pretty recently. Like I still have guitar picks that I got from a show in my wallet. I should just get rid of those.
Bezotcovschina wrote
Yeah, individually per case. Sometimes (rarely) I loath an author so much that it spills on what they produce. But usually I take what I enjoy and discard the rest. Hell, I'm playing video games on steam, so...