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halfway_prince OP wrote (edited )

I'd say if you move to a poor area and rent an apartment you are inherently gentrifying. A bug part of gentrifying is making property value go up. By moving to an area and buying stuff you inherently gentrify.

I don't think it's really possible to not gentrify if you move to an area to live a normie lifestyle of renting, and having a middle class job.

Only replying because i think this is a good example of where I think these conversations are stuck and discussing gentrification becomes kind of useless. I'm too tired of having this conversation over and over again to engage at this point.

Edit: to clarify i think you're right, i just really want the conversation to get past this step. Like dare i say do we have any "harm reduction" approaches to gentrification? Like fuck, i have a job in a city and don't want a 2 hour commute from the burbs and the only place i can afford is in a neighborhood that i'm probably gentrifying?? Also fuck the burbs i'd literally go fucking crazy living there?? It's what you complain about all the time leafer!! There just has to be more nuance to this discussion than "don't"

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halfway_prince OP wrote

mhm ya vandalism is an interesting one...the whole "graffiti fights gentrification thing" I've heard a lot, but interested in whether anyone's dived deeper into that ? Like have there been any more comprehensive writings? Anarcho Blackness by Marquis Bey dives a little into the idea of "unsafe neighborhoods" but was wondering if there's anything more.

The arson one is particularly funny cuz part of the motivation for this post was reading this article about how some people are speculating that arson (or at least the end product) is being used as a force for gentrification in San Francisco in the U.S.

But ya tenants organizing seems to be a pretty classic example. Just not sure where to start with that. Would love any resources about that.

Community land trusts are something i'm involved with but more deals with houseless encampments since there's more energy and activism and community than in most housed neighborhoods.

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lettuceLeafer wrote

Oh you could be loud at around bedtime or just in general. Loud music shouting matches with friends, big parties ect.

Also doing some pro littering praxis is good.

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lettuceLeafer wrote

It might be a bit liberal in reasoning but I think littering is actually preferable to taking it to a dump.

Using traditional garbage services is still horrible for the environment plus it means people don't really have to be conscious about how trash is hatful to our own lives.

By littering people myself included have to live with the consequences of our consumption. Sure it's bad just like garbage but one allows you to not acknowledge the harm you cause while littering makes you face the reality of your actions consistently.

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lettuceLeafer wrote

Eh, I think this like many things is just something that is going to cause harm inherently to exist. By itself gentrification isn't actually bad as it makes things more valuable which is good. It's more bad due to people being largely poor in society.

I think gentrification is just something that will happen like, garbage, pollution, funding government imperialism and paying for capitalist abuse of others ect. It doesn't make someone a bad person. It's just something that happens. Be cognizant of the harm but like that's life you know.

I think inherently as gentrification is mostly bad due to people being poor and having to pay for essential to live anarchist action that provides for basic needs is harm reduction for gentrification. Prob more effective than littering campground or shooting guns. Addressing why gentrification is harmful to a community rather than minimizing the damage is a method of solution I like better

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