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slackbloc wrote

Circumstances of survival in life sent me to anarchy. Getting involved in crimes makes me question the world in a strange way because society think your type shouldn't exist. When living that circumstantial life it requires your critical thinking about the world and do something about it. That was when I educated myself about theory and practice, reading more into insurrectionary, expropriation, illegalism and other post-left stuff to find the autonomy.


AnarchoDoom wrote (edited )

Illegalism too got me into anarchism, before I had actually developed an anarchist awareness. For some other people it can be clandestinty, or maybe "gender fuck", or antispeciesism, etc.

But I can't believe that there's people out there who're taking it all from books, or worse, film productions, as this purely theoretical venture. As it's clear to me it's gotta do with our relationship with this abstract, reified world we call "society", and you gotta first experience a kind of subverting of the social relationship, before pretending to any "anarchy". At least that's what it means in our world.


annikastheory wrote

But I can't believe that there's people out there who're taking it all from books, or worse, film productions, as this purely theoretical venture

Well I got it all from books and I don't think there is anything wrong with that. The thing is, for me, everything I do is a result of what I believe so I had to start theoretical to get anywhere practical. So yeah it's all about our relationships with society and subverting but I needed the why of it first. Once I had that then I could figure out what anarchy actually looked like in the present world I live in.

Maybe we are saying similar things though from different angles. I certainly don't think anarchy is pure theory because theory without practice is kind of useless.

Also I think gathering information can be subversive, there are a lot of things we are told not to learn or believe.


annikastheory wrote

Its always been important to me to question everything. I always figured that if you have a belief that you never questioned you are probably having the wool pulled over your eyes.

Ironically this was fueled by my really terrible history education in high school and my christian upbringing. Once I got into college I realized my teachers lied about history, that most of what I learned wasn't true so I set out to question everything I knew about my country. This led me to picking up a lot of Chomsky and going through a pretty heavy anti-american phase.

Likewise I realized my sunday school teachers didn't really present characters as they were actually presented in the bible (Sunday school teachers and pastors do a surprising amount of censoring of the bible.) This led me to Yoder, then to Tolstoy, then Kropotkin. Called myself a Christian anarchist for awhile (or sometime an anarcho-communist if people were chill enough to hear the words communist).

I guess all that plus learning about the milgram experiment too was pretty influential to me. Also coming to the realization that slighting authority is often the only path to getting my desires met.

Gone through a lot of changes since then but Chomsky, Tolstoy and Kropotkin really got me started into anarchism. Funny looking back on it I don't think high school me and current me would agree on a single thing really.


Ashy OP wrote

that's awesome, it's so cool to see how different all your experiences are and how everyone's changed over time


Gwen_Isilith wrote

It's complicated, but to simplify I'd say it stems from my suicidal ideation. I've given up completely on trying to live a life of compromise, within systems of work, normalcy etc. So I'm trying to live free or die trying, or most likely killing myself if that seems preferable.


_caspar_ wrote

less so a justification (which seems entirely logic-based) but a realization (which seems more intuitively-based) that the institutionalization of almost every aspect of life is limiting and harmful, therefore undesirable.

hated grade school but couldnt put my finger on why at the time. looking back it was likely the pressure to conform to accepted norms and preparation for the workforce, with study as a facade. didnt want a job, so picked art school instead. which in spite of its problems (higher-ed to a greater or lesser degree is a continuation of the previously described predicament), it allowed me to explore critical ideas with others for awhile, develop a range of skills more suited for versatility over specialization, and on my own terms for the most part.

still didnt want a job, so gave grad school a shot with a theory-heavy program. I found more provocative critical approaches to ideas and practices, and in spite of becoming even further disillusioned with the academy, came to realization that living in this world is the practice, not just exhibiting clever commentary through image/performance.

all that said, it was a small fraction of anarchist theory + philosophy on the fringes where I found questions being asked that elsewhere were overlooked or neglected. u.s. libertarianism quickly lost its appeal in high school, as did liberalism, socialism, and communism in the university. though I still find some limited value with anti-state communist and post-situationist ideas (more so than collectivist anarchism, funny enough), there remains an implied homogenization, materialist metaphysics, and collectivist politics I cant get on board with. so an anarchist (with caveats) Ive become! or always was?


CaptainACAB wrote (edited )

I am literally incapable of seeing any legitimacy behind the mentality of "This person should rule over anything beyond themselves".

I cannot for the life of me fathom that mentality; like trying to imagine a color I've never seen before.


Ashy OP wrote

fair enough

i've always been skeptical and have had my fair share of frustration with authority, but it required a bit more to really cement it in my head


d4rk wrote

Honestly, Seminary, just proves the whole structure is corrupt and morally depraved. I saw a dorm mate of mine made to sleep in the toilet cubicle as punishment for some lesser infraction while the priest administrators exchanged expensive cars and motorcycles for Christmas.

my experiences in the Seminary just showed me a microcosm of what it takes to prop up hierarchy, order, &c.


Ashy OP wrote

wow that's really freaking awful

i think my experience is similar, kinda seeing how it all works on a smaller scale from the inside in a way ig


jesushitler1312 wrote

when i was young, i saw a sticker on a trashcan that said "smash fascism", 14ish years old i didnt know what it meant, i looked it up on wikipedia and thought to myself "damn, thats pretty whack" and it has been going downhill ever since.

even though i only know of my case of this working, keep up the stickers, posters, and funny propaganda graffitis!


lettuceLeafer wrote

I've already talked about this a couple times so I won't write it out again. I'd be happy to have a discussion about it if you are curious tho.

Basically it all started when I was working on a factory farm. I couldn't stanr how horrible it was so I was a very passionate vegan tho I wasn't in a position where I could just not work there. So I was stuck only talking to vegans who are a bunch of libs. Which was horrible as my entire life I was incredibly anti authoritarian and hated the government. I found raddle and was absolutely enamerated at a site filled with a bunch of vegans who hate the government it was pretty cool. I wasn't a big fan of them not liking property, markets or capitalism but being vegan and wanting no government made me look past it.

My desire to be more free, no government really appealed to me and anarchist ideas provided an actual solution to these rather than funneling all your efforts into electoralism or trying to change hearts n minds like most an caps. Also I really liked mutual aid as it is a way to provide goods and services far less statist, and really appeled to my extreme sense of greed.

I was doing mutual aid before hand but far less efficient and on a grander scale. Idk, I think I was kinda doing anarchism lite for most of my life and being in anarchist spaces just enhanced my ability to fulfill my desires really well.


bloodrose wrote

I think I've always hated being told what to do but it took me a long time to apply that to my politics. I pointed out to my husband the other day how special it is that he doesn't tell me what to do and that all of our fights are around the implication that he is telling me what to do through inaction (ie, he doesn't do dishes but then always pulls clean dishes out of the cupboard - therefore, he expects clean dishes, ergo he's telling me to clean dishes). Really I'm just an ornery asshole and I am becoming more so as I get older. People need to not tell me what to do and it turns out not telling people what to do is also good for their souls; hence - anarchy! I don't tell my kid what to do except when I absolutely have to and I feel like I'm fucking betraying her every time I do.


annikastheory wrote (edited )

I feel like I'm fucking betraying her every time I do.

Yeah that sums it up. That's exactly how i feel.


Ashy OP wrote

oh my gosh i wish my parents would be like that lol


Flute wrote

i just thought i liked the cool people breaking society stuff and accepting zero bullshit, though i'm not much of anything myself


Quicksilver wrote

Well, it started in school. I was, at the same time, taking in queer theory through being queer and being president of my school's Gay Straight Alliance (let me tell you, its hard not to notice heteronormativity when someone's yelling f*g at you for holding another guys hand), and taking in a lot of Ancap ideas. Yes, for a solid maybe 4 years I was Ancappy, libertarian, voluntarist, etc. It started me on my anti authoritarianism at least, was just justifying the wrong hierarchy's lol (ps, there are no justified hierarchy's. It's all a lie.).

I probably would have kept going down that path if it wasn't for whispers "breadtube. Funny, YouTube brought me into Ancap and then onto Anarchism. That, and also just doing my own god damn research on the matter, slowly unlearning the American education system, and just having a bit of empathy.


Ashy OP wrote

interesting how many people here were right anarchists before swapping over


Kinshavo wrote

I could found my early response here

I was thinking if there was something that draw me more to anarchism, nihilism, and far but I can't pinpoint something definitive. I could be a generic leftist or a trotskist (many of cool people in the student movement were). Maybe bc I like stuff like surrealism and art, witchcraft and kaos, stuff that are eminently marginal.


mr_wrong wrote

Funnily enough I first came across anarchy through this site. At that point, it appealed to my general anti-government and pacifist mindset.

Learning about anarchy over the past year has lead to me questioning/breaking down all the preconceptions and values that have been ingrained into me since birth, and nowadays my view of anarchy is interwoven with my nihilistic tendency.

The way I see it, when you've rejected all forms of authority, morality, and structures as baseless and undesirable, what is there left other than anarchy?


Bezotcovschina wrote

Daddy issues, over-controlling mother, classic stuff.


Ashy OP wrote

fair enough, probably influenced me too


kokoaitu wrote (edited )

Lost faith in democracy and noticed the absurd level of media manipulation... Led me to being auth-left (but anti pre-existing "left" government).

I thought, fuck the idiots who fall for right wing crap. They deserve the boot. I thought Anarchism was just a fantasy.

But then I learnt the history of Anarchism under "left" governments, and realised that those with power will always abuse it.
Even then I thought An-Com were too idyllic... "Everyone will just get along, have you met other people." Then I found post-left and nihilism and found something I can believe in - Everything is fucked!

Anarchism - "there is no alternative"


RatifyGuy1776 wrote

If there is a government, it will be bought. Whatever cannot be bought will have war made against it. The ruling class often prefers this, because it allows them to arbitrarily extract wealth from both the occupied country and its own citizens. Even among those not convinced of climate crisis, extinction within a few generations is widely considered totally inevitable due to the threat of nuclear war. The only way to stop this is to end nations.