Submitted by Kinshavo in AskRaddle

I am thinking from an activist/hacktivist point of view. Is there any blindspots in the fringes of the empire? Or maybe the solution is to hide in plain sight, well disguised in sea of irrelevance that surround us?

Thinking about the recent protonmail debacle, Snowden, and maybe some Defcon Talk about failures and getting caught, is what lead me to ask

Some stuff to consider:

  • extradition treaties, US, China, maybe Russia..

  • Five eyes, 9eyes, 14eyes and so on

  • Interpol/Europol

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ziq wrote

whichever one has the most space per person and the least effective government/police force

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Kinshavo OP wrote

I guess the police and the history of persecution is one of the main point s I forget. It is very different to be imprisoned in some CIA black site than some Nordic Prison that allows you to play videogames all day.

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ziq wrote

the further away from people u get the further away you get from cop shops and apparatchiks. the more spread out the people are, the harder they are to rule

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lettuceLeafer wrote

Rn it seems u can basically live in Russia and attack the US all day and all night and Russia won't do anything. But I'm sure they would go ham if negotiations change or you attack allies do Russia.

Living in a undeveloped / developing country where the US has little influence. Think where scammers n stuff can commit blatant comes in US and Europe like scamming old old people and not have anyone d anything.

No extradition treaties aren't hard cider tho. Recent history has proven that many countries with no extradition treaties with the US will make an exception if you are high profile enough. Tho Russia is an exception it seems.

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mofongo wrote

Additionally, nations have no concern to kidnap you if you're in their radar. A weak state makes it easier to do without repercussions.

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moonlune wrote

Second vote for russia here. They DGAF about torrenting and hacking other countries.

Plus with the global warming, you can buy a frozen plot of land and have it thraw just in time for societal collapse and grow veggies on it :)

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Kinshavo OP wrote

The Northern latitudes seems to be fine regarding civilization and collapse. But I wouldn't trust Russian police, they appear to be very brutal with activists.

Maybe I want an undiscovered Sealand (or any other micronation posing as a freedom space)

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AnarchoDoom wrote (edited )

Hums... I heard the magnetic pole's been moving into Russia lately, which means (and that's what happened too) super-cold, longer winters. Canada on the other hand has been having some fairly moderate winters the past few years. But it's a police state with the US layer-caked underneath, so not a really good solution unless you go outside of cell phone towers' coverage. The military's rather thin compared to the US military, but the police is very present, and they often act as "everyman's helper" in remote areas, so they can be hard to counter...

I think some South American countries like Colombia, Uruguay or Chile could be a way to go, but Vietnam is also interesting, as I heard it's a pretty messy place where the laws aren't usually being enforced by the government, and also a beautiful country with good food.

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Bezotcovschina wrote (edited )

Also heard about Vietnam and Thailand being hacktivist havens. Can't vouch myself, only rumors

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AnarchoDoom wrote (edited )

Thailand, being a monarchy, has a more repressive militaristic regime. Look at the recent events over there. There's also a response through social revolts tho. So it might be interesting.

But Covid travel restrictions, right?

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Anonymonious wrote

Idk Iceland is pretty nice

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Ashy wrote

Lack of trees would drive my crazy personally long term but they have some cool sights there

The Nordics might be nice but immigration is hard, so probably either Canada or New England for me

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NOISEBOB wrote

There is also national depression in the winter months there... and very harsh on cannabis

Nice that there is no McDonald's or Hells Angels.

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Anarcat wrote

Uruguay

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Kinshavo OP wrote

Temporarily maybe, but I heard some urban legend that there is a CIA black site in Montevideo, and if you remember Uruguay accepted some Guantanamo Prisoners as political asylum refugees but somehow they disappeared in plain daylight.

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d4rk wrote

Five Eyes

heh, CANZCUCK

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