Submitted by lettuceLeafer in AskRaddle

So winc I have a completely not controversial strategy of gaining funding for my projects by aquiring a bunch of capital it necessitates the question, when will I have enough capital that U should fully transition away from capital acquisition to not squiring capital and just do whatever the fuck I want. Like I wouldn't have much use for a billion dollars. Being quite conservative I could easily live indefinitely on 350k net worth but I wouldn't have much money to spend on projects. Let's say I get a million net worth. I could easily live and prob spend have at least 20k of fuck shit up money most years.

But the thing with capital is the more you get the easier it is. Like once you get a million dollars getting a second million is significantly easier. So it's easy to go well if I have a million maybe keep going in and getting 2 or 3 mil would be a good plan. Then I can have being conservative around 60k most years of money to just fuck shit up which would be really great. But what if I get even more than I have even more fuck shit up money. So honestly I can't pick a number. I feel like I'm stuck in that rich person mindset justifying gaining more money to Athens than actually doing stuff with said money. Idk atm I'd say my goal is between 250k to 2.5 mil which isn't a very precise target.

If u where me what would your goal be?

Yes I do expect most of the comments being from less cool anarchist about how their goal would b 0 net worth because they would never squire capital and would just give it a at. So to them put yourself in my shoes and give me a number that you think would fit my goals. Then critique my position so I can destroy u with facts n logic in the comments..

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zoom_zip wrote

those kind of numbers are weird to me because i just can’t comprehend having them. i live on the bare minimum i need to survive (not entirely, i have a couple of luxuries like internet access of course, but my expenses are really low comparative to everyone in my society, and if i earned less it would really start hurting). not because i am trying to be some kind of anti-capital saint as you put it, but because i despise work. if i had to work more than i do i would kill myself. in fact, many days i hate the amount of work i do now and want to take any route to end it.

so if you have a way to bring in money without hating yourself, then why even put a number on it? i don’t know, because i’ve never had money, but if you can do it without compromising yourself, can you turn the tool of capitalism against itself in many ways? can you use money to help yourself and your goals, and help other people you care about and their goals?

i would just be wary that i have thought before that i could change systems from the inside, but then you realise how the monolith protects itself, and you just become a part of it. that’s why i say without compromising yourself. if you are stealing money from jeff bezos and reseeding it back into cool things that help you and others live, great. if you eventually become the person exploiting poor people to increase your capital gains when you already have more than you need, fuck you.

that’s my initial thoughts.

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zoom_zip wrote

oh also tell me how to get money please, i don’t want to work anymore

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syster wrote

I think there are some good tutorials on bank robbing on youtube. Maybe that will help.

meta: this is obvious a joke. Bank robbing is a serious business, and youtube will help you little.

meta meta: I'm still joking, bank robbing is illegal, and there are anyway better targets. Don't believe the movies.

meta meta meta: idk why, but I can't stop promoting burglary.

meta meta meta meta: puts on a mask and leaves a note: I do not advocate crime except if you're gay, indigenous, black, poc...or in complicit solidarity.

meta meta meta meta question: How to make a comment so that all this appears if I do not suggest ilegalism?

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syster wrote

meta: this is a serious reply meta meta: damn, it sounds like sarcasm, but it's not.

idk how you can have access to more resources in the situation you are in that suits you.

Reducing monthly payments while at the same increasing autonomous/collective access to resources could be a path to explore more.

housing: maybe organize with a bunch of folks who also struggle. Move into either spaces that you buy all together, or rent collectively. That's usually cheaper, but you also need to deal with other people living very close to you. Don't know if that is to your desire. Being occasionally squatting and renting out your flat for some time (don't make that purely a business. If you rent it out for higher price, let at least from time to time life some folks for free in it).

food: dumpster diving (if you organize this a bit with people around you, it' s little work, for lot's of food), maybe a bit /f/illegalism, find out if others like to build a garden with you, or do it alone. Learn a bit about wild herbs.

money: What rich people always say is, that they stay/become rich, because they invest as much as they can in things that will help them to acquire more resources. I'm not sure how that should work with 10-50$, but maybe there's some way if organized together with others who also put 10-50$ into it. If 10 people put 50$ per month into for one year, you got 6000$ that can be used to the desire of those participating in. And those 10-50$ people might be able to give additional to this fund beside all the rest they spend cash on, if people practice more mutual aid.

If you believe something of what I said is useful to you, we could continue this conversations, otherwise I'll just shut up, cause as stated in the beginning, I don't know your situation, any maybe all I have to say doesn't fit you.

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Kinshavo wrote

I remember some post or wiki page here with resources like "steal this book" somewhere here

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rot wrote

im literally saving up to by a house and your talking about expenditures and acquisition

cant even comprehend a situation where my funds arn't 1. my job 2. my parents 3. my retirement fund and social security in that order, and i consider myself well off

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syster wrote

I played once the game of capitalism. I was successful for some time. I did not spend anything for me, and managed to safe everything, at least for a while. I wanted to become a big player. If I can accelerate social change with money, if I have more money I can accelerate more social change.

I was a self-made rich kid. I asked people if they want to join me. I showed people how what I'm doing is working, and that I could need help. While the aim was to use the entire bag of cash to sponsor other projects, non wanted to join me. There was no personal benefit for them, except the skill they would acquire and social capital. They could have used that to make them rich themselves if that's their aim. It was just out of my interest, to become rich to fund myself. If I would have run it as a company or something, it probably would have worked out, or if I knew back then how to reach other radicals that are up to such.

I got isolated and frustrated. What I wanted even more then billions of cash, was the abolishment of money itself. Why do we accept this system in first place, instead of fighting it entirely? One reason it police, but that doesn't explain why we aren't capable of building networks in which we share all out resources with each other, free from any capitalist logic. We need food? Ok, let's organize some that go shop lifting, some that go dumpster diving and some that will grow food. We need doctors? Let's find out what doctors need to be able to serve a community without asking for cash. Oh, they need housing as all the rest? There are so many examples of successful squatting, let's do that. But not everyone can do actions that are likely to result sooner or later in confrontation with police! Silent squatting. Go into neighborhoods that will be n solidarity with you, be supportive to the neighborhood, and don't tell the cops or the landlord what you are doing (no banner, no social media, no fame, no clicks, just direct action) or just stop all paying rent. But where do get the medicine? Herbs, can be used for a lot of things. And for the rest, well equipped underground drug labs can be build that will produce medicine. Get in trouble with drug cartels. Make better offer for the neighborhood and collectively force them out. What other product do we need, and how can we get them without contributing to the logic of capitalism? Go and... Oh shit I'm dreaming. Nothing of that gonna happen, except in small scale. It's to much effort, with little small term gain, and who's anyway thinking about long term shit?

Yes, those were my dreams as a rich kid, and I tried to life them. Now I'm broke and often cynical. Not because I'm broke, but because short-term/mid-term results where just disappointing. Still no force in sight that takes capitalism down.

Oh, I forgot to tell you how I lost all my cash. Those dreams, and the idea that if money is useful for social change, then more money will be more useful, resulted in high risk management. And if I loose everything I told myself, I gonna try the path of the insurrectionist. I was one of those early crypto investors. I made money by successful trading. My first bitcoins I got when they where around some $. The only reason I put money into it was: it was from the very beginning obvious that it's a pyramid scheme, and that it's going to make those that are early in very likely very rich. One day I woke up, made a shitty trade, went all in, and lost basically everything.

I'm writing this, just to give an example, how ideas that are focused on high risk high gain, in combination with isolation and the desire to abolish capitalism, might bring undesired outcomes.

You found a strategy to make lot's of cash? Do not invest everything back into the same. I mean everyone speaks about diversifying, but how about if your aim is to bring the most social change you can? idk, at least don't waste your time with making tons of cash, just to loose it all because you didn't slept well and because your aim was to gain the first billion in the next 10 years or whatever goal that seem high to you. Also regularly remind yourself, that there's tons of important things to do, that not enough people do, that doesn't require cash. Autonomous mutual aid networks, that are interconnected, and organized to an extend that they can function completely independent from capitalism and are capable to defend if being attacked. Dreams just dreams, but I won't let my cynical personalty take them away from me.

Don't be like me, that's the TL;DR version of that long post.

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kokoaitu wrote

Being quite conservative

You sure are 😝

I think the problem with this is that if 2-3 million is so easy to come by, then you probably won't think twice about going for 6 or 8 million. It's a slippery slope.

2 million in cash is a shitload of money. Most people with that amount will have it invested, and having it invested will mean that you have to live off different money to that 2 million, so you keep working on whatever you did to get the money.

Unless your butt is really that good, I can't imagine how you could earn that amount and still care enough to stop when you're ahead.

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lettuceLeafer OP wrote

I think the problem with this is that if 2-3 million is so easy to come by, then you probably won't think twice about going for 6 or 8 million. It's a slippery slope

Yeah that's why I'm trying to give myself an exact monetary goal for when I should exit ahead if time.

2 million in cash is a shitload of money. Most people with that amount will have it invested, and having it invested will mean that you have to live off different money to that 2 million, so you keep working on whatever you did to get the money

If you have 2 million and exit you just live off the investments and cash in bank.

Unless your butt is really that good, I can't imagine how you could earn that amount and still care enough to stop when you're ahead

At the half mil mark I don't really have much if a reason to continue earning personally as that's enough to theoretically retire indefinitely and fill my desires. I'm not really into consumerism so spending more than I already am isn't desirable. The only reason I want to earn more than the amount I need to retire is to spend it on fucking shit up with anarchist projects so like if I have enough to find most of the anarchist projects I want to do I don't need to continue earning. I'm not sure what my butt has to do with this tho.

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zoom_zip wrote

I'm not sure what my butt has to do with this tho.

m guessing they think you are earning these millions through prostitution

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lettuceLeafer OP wrote

Ah, prostitution doesn't pay that well lol. That makes more sense ig

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kokoaitu wrote

Yes, it was a reference to your sugar daddy posts.

I think the way I might suggest doing things is once you've reached a cut of point maybe start funneling amounts into the projects and see how you feel about them then. Whether you are happy putting the time into working, in order to support the projects.

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moonlune wrote

does owning your own house with a big garden count as capital?

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Gwen_Isilith wrote

Im pretty sure when i quit working I had about ten dollars on me.

If you want to have projects that require money though they are inevitably going to become capitalistic, you'll never be able to not need more money to fund them.

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Kinshavo wrote

With my upbringing is hard not to fetishize poverty or to imagine yourself living as a dropout. Maybe you should stop when you can't manage it by yourself, like if you need to hire an accountant or something you already have too much.

You reminded me of this story

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lettuceLeafer OP wrote

It's funny that I mentioned that u fetishize poverty bc I kinda do the same. Tho I wouldn't exactly call it fetishization. Like I grew up in a rural are and my family was too poor to pay to have anything fixed. So the idea that you just have a landlord or pay a contractor to fix stuff for u is pretty weird to me. Or complaining about how some people desire to have wet toilets. My strategy is to keep living to a similar way to my whole life with pretty y low expenses so it's pretty easy for investments to cover all my living expenses. Then any extra can find my projects rather than increase how much I sp me in consumer products. But yeah it's definitely not a poverty lifestyle.

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Kinshavo wrote

What I call fetishizing is more like having high regards for an ascetic/frugal/simple living life. Like u said is fundamentally linked with our experiences and how we decide to live. Spooks everywhere Fam.. we even have a chance?

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lettuceLeafer OP wrote

I guess I have a fetish for poverty lifestyle somewhat too. I just thinking living a really frugal life by choice over by requirement is way nicer. Ovi.

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lettuceLeafer OP wrote

I took a lot of inspiration from all 3nof those references lol

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