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rot wrote

the extremely cis are gonna see this one day and get mad

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bloodrose wrote

Below you said:

I guess by cis I was more referring to conforming to the assigned gender at birth with all the mental and physical stuff associates.

I'm a gender non-conforming cis person. I struggled very hard with my gender identity when I was younger because my non-conformity made people question me. A lot. It was very destabalizing. It took a long time for me to realize that I didn't want to be a man, I just didn't want to be treated like a woman. And then my feminism became really ingrained when I realized a lot of women don't want to be treated like a woman. And it made/makes me mad.

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lettuceLeafer OP wrote (edited )

I struggled very hard with my gender identity when I was younger because my non-conformity made people question me. A lot

yeah thats why I do it. Looking queer is exhausting bc you just are in a constant state of being asked the same questions by everyone new you meet.

the whole not wanted to be treated as a woman thing is why I think women identifying as NB is really popular with people my age. Now I'm not trying to erase the complex amount of reasons for wanting to not be a woman but I bet growing up with misogyny is a big reason why nonbinaryness is so much more popular for AFAB vs AMAB people.

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existential1 wrote (edited )

I dont think about it at all. Thats the privelege of cisness i suppose.

EDIT: In all seriousness, i was mistaken for opposite gender many times growing up since i had cornrows and white people cant differentiate black children from one another. So Ive always felt comfy in my own understanding of self on that level. It isnt really open to other people's opinions.

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edmund_the_destroyer wrote

"I dont think about it at all. Thats the privelege of cisness i suppose."

Me too. I think if I had the same views of gender thirty years ago that I do now, I would probably have identified as non-binary. I don't think of myself as "male" and not "female" in any significant sense. The only reason I don't adopt non-binary now is habit. One of my kids is NB.

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Bezotcovschina wrote (edited )

never had experienced gender dysphoria. I mean, everyone had question their gender at some point, and I'm still confused when I have to state my gender in some forms, but I don't think it's comparable to what trans people feel

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lettuceLeafer OP wrote (edited )

yeah I do feel a bit uncomfortable with cis trans dichotomy regarding gender nonconforming people but I personally lump anyone as trans as long as they don't really conform to the gender assigned at birth unless they specifically say they are cis and nonbinary or whatever

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Quicksilver wrote

We each have our own cross to bear, and this so happens to be mine. And before anyone judges me for my burdens, I quote from the holy book "They that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at them."

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solaslux wrote

I'd say for me its mostly a blend of apathy and personal dysfunction surrounding becoming non-cis. I'd rather just deny being cis than performing any particular subset of non-cis identities. I think my identification as pansexual/gay-as-a-catchall-for-queer makes my own gender irrelevant.

Long ago I stopped choosing to be cis. I just never landed on anything concrete.

This is coming from someone amab/socialized as a boy, so plenty of privilege and masc-assumedness happens.

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cdubose wrote

I know this was posted as a joke, but as a girl I really struggled with accepting that I was female and I did consider that I was really a boy several times. I think I came to terms with being cis when I considered I mostly hated how society treats women, not necessarily with being a woman (that, and I finally realized its okay to be an androgynous/at times somewhat "masculine" woman).

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lettuceLeafer OP wrote

I actually wasn't joking your response was quite useful / helpful thx

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Houtamelo wrote

My whole family is conservative and for them non-cis people is not a thing, my dad/uncles would always be like "walk like a proper man!" "stop being so feminine!" "how many girls did you pickup last night?". So i didn't feel like going against them.

Today i just hope my future partner spanks me in bed.

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AnarchoDoom wrote (edited )

Who is "cis people"? I don't recall the term being any sociological category prior to Zoomer social media age...

Or perhaps you meant "straight" and binary-gendered?

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lettuceLeafer OP wrote (edited )

cis is just not trans in my and most other queer people my age's definition.

Edit: I think u might have located why I was so suprised by the dramatic difference in what I say is cis and other people on raddle. I've grown up with the zoomer social media stuff so my relationship to cis has always been the zoomer social media one

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AnarchoDoom wrote (edited )

I find it disturbing when people's views derive exclusively from two big tech corporations... Or we could also call them two mainstream media channels, by now. Same old two main channels, right?

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lettuceLeafer OP wrote

Since when is listening to queer teens on Twitter and YouTube the mainstream media. Lol

Next ur going to say /r/@ is the mainstream media.

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AnarchoDoom wrote (edited )

Depends how you define the mainstream media. Of course, there's the dinosaur media of big TV outlets... But what these internet outlets above have become totally is "mainstream media", in how these are the tech mediations being used massively. These are big businesses doing a lot more money these days than outlets like NYT or Faux News.

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lettuceLeafer OP wrote

Wtf are u on about. I said I got the idea that cis just means not trans from talking to queer teenagers. And then u critique me by saying I just get it from the mainstream media. Like wtf reality are u in? I don't know how new York Times or fox news is relevant.

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inthedustofthisplanet wrote (edited )

You're just queerphobic, it's simple -- are you gonna call us alphabet people next? :)

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AnarchoDoom wrote (edited )

sighs Yes, it's all true. If that makes you feel any better in your funnel vision.

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inthedustofthisplanet wrote (edited )

Stay mad, cissie. 😘

Go post some more minion memes on Facebook or something.

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AnarchoDoom wrote

I'm pretty fine. Thanks, ID pols!

Next time, try to avoid negating my queerness, you zoomer. https://raddle.me/f/Queer/132707/i-m-a-straight-but-straight-culture-made-me-into-a-queer

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inthedustofthisplanet wrote (edited )

I'll post this too because heaven forbid you need all the help you can get:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender

German sexologist Volkmar Sigusch used the neologism cissexual (zissexuell in German) in a peer-reviewed publication. In his 1998 essay "The Neosexual Revolution", he cites his two-part 1991 article "Die Transsexuellen und unser nosomorpher Blick" ("Transsexuals and our nosomorphic view") as the origin of the term.[4]

Cisgender has its origin in the Latin-derived prefix cis-, meaning 'on this side of', which is the opposite of trans-, meaning 'across from' or 'on the other side of'. This usage can be seen in the cis–trans distinction in chemistry, the cis and trans sides of the Golgi apparatus in cellular biology, the cis–trans or complementation test in genetics, in Ciscaucasia (from the Russian perspective), in the ancient Roman term Cisalpine Gaul (i.e., 'Gaul on this side of the Alps'), Ciskei and Transkei (separated by the Kei River), and more recently, Cisjordan, as distinguished from Transjordan. In the case of gender, cis- describes the alignment of gender identity with assigned sex.[5]

Sociologists Kristen Schilt and Laurel Westbrook define cisgender as a label for "individuals who have a match between the gender they were assigned at birth, their bodies, and their personal identity".[2] A number of derivatives of the terms cisgender and cissexual include cis male for "male assigned male at birth", cis female for "female assigned female at birth", analogously cis man and cis woman,[6] and cissexism and cissexual assumption.[7] In addition, one study published in the Journal of the International AIDS Society used the term cisnormativity, akin to sexual diversity studies' heteronormativity.[8][9] A related adjective is gender-normative because, as Eli R. Green writes, "'cisgendered' is used [instead of the more popular 'gender normative'] to refer to people who do not identify with a gender diverse experience, without enforcing existence of a normative gender expression".[10] In this way, cisgender is preferable because, unlike the term gender-normative, it does not imply that transgender identities are abnormal.

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While some believe that the term cisgender is merely politically correct,[20][21][22][23][24] medical academics use the term and have recognized its importance in transgender studies since the 1990s.[25][26][27]

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inthedustofthisplanet wrote (edited )

Can't be queer and transphobic. Nice try, boomer.

I totally forgot that Zoomers were posting on tech platforms in 1914 through the 90's wow how silly of me. 😏

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/cis-

Like imagine repeating transphobic rhetoric and then asking not to have your "queerness" negated lol.

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