Submitted by ruin in AskRaddle

Assuming that we’re all anarchists and all recognize that policing is inherently harmful in the best of circumstances and cops are potentially murderous, mercenary enactors of racist, misogynistic, authoritarian violence in the worst, who the fuck cares about the latest cop atrocity?

Pay respects to the victims and fight back by all means at your disposal, but why is so much energy put into documenting, cataloging and circle jerking all the shitty cop behavior that’s unsurprising and predictable?

(This question came up in the quiver discussion group today, but there wasn’t much time or energy to address it.)

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Pash wrote

It's personal for a lot of us.

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moonlune wrote (edited )

  1. They're the stick hitting down and keeping society the way it is. If it weren't for the stick we'd be doing anarchy. they're the boot, they're the first wall, they're the face of oppression. They're the face of oppression that we can afford too punch back at. They're the lightning rod of my rage because my rage will never get to the ones who deserve it.

  2. They're unrelatable. I can somewhat understand rich and famous people. Even complete evil for the sake of profit is understandable. Greed is relatable. Choosing to live for someone else's greed is just... Strange. They're bullies and hurt people for the sake of nothing. Cops don't get anything from doing more than their job yet they go out of their way to fuck with the public.

  3. Everybody hates cops, every person who got oppressed, every future ally, knows the true face of the police. By showing that we too, know, we show that we're their allies.

Edit: Also do we really talk that much more about cops than other tools of oppression? Maybe it's really just that cops are the one thing we can do something about without ending up in prison.

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masque wrote (edited )

A lot of time on any mostly-ideologically-unified platform is spent posting about stuff that everyone already agrees on. Humans like to agree with each other about stuff.

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zoom_zip wrote

who watches the watchmen

keep cops accountable

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putridcod87 wrote

a very good question and one i dont know the answer to.

this reads as "the police and media are telling fibs to make us look bad, 😢whahhhhhhhh" . no shit. whos it written for? is it trying to 'win over' liberals?

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ruin OP wrote

Thanks for all the replies. I appreciate the perspectives and definitely share some of them.

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loukanikos wrote

Sitting in a holding tank and commiserating with a cellmate is how I personally discovered Anarchism. So like someone else said: its personal. But I also think this anecdote speaks to how others can be radicalized. I was essentially a neoliberal before that moment in my life. So I think talking about cops is good actually, not wasteful.

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Hibiscus_Syrup wrote

I feel similarly about f/collapse.

But the space is a good archive to refer to when I need to engage people not like us.

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ruin OP wrote

But the space is a good archive to refer to when I need to engage people not like us.

I agree. My question was more pertaining to anarchists engaging with other anarchists. Imagine if as much time and energy was spent engaging with theory or developing new methods as is currently expended reposting msm articles about shitty cops and politicians. Nevermind the time spent agreeing on how shitty they are.

Maybe I’m just grumpy today.

More to your point though, engaging outside our little corner is worthwhile. Enjoyed another lively quiver session yesterday. Leftists get hot when civ/humanism is criticized. All non communist thought is interpreted as “anti-name your identity category”. Strange and conflicting dynamics at work.

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Hibiscus_Syrup wrote

Imagine if as much time and energy was spent engaging with theory or developing new methods as is currently expended reposting msm articles about shitty cops and politicians.

It's way easier to post stuff to an archive than to do theory work. Usually when I'm posting I'm just trying to take it easy. In my case at least I'm doing as much hardcore theory and experimentation on methods as I can, but that's a whole different realm from copy/pasting links from facebook to here.

All non communist thought is interpreted as “anti-name your identity category”. Strange and conflicting dynamics at work.

yeah, people half-ass their theory all the time. I spend time doing what I can to not be one of those.

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