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Fool wrote

Oh, it's not really mine, but you may borrow it, if you want.

... In regards to your question; it "is there" because a bunch of people agreed that it exists in that location. For various reasons others have chosen to accept that as reality, but I think they're lying since there was already a bunch of nations there. Come on everyone, they were there first and they're happy to share, maybe you could call them First nations or something. I'm thinking they'll figure out how silly they're acting any day now.

Sorry if this hasn't really answered your question. I am not from the USA so I can't really comment.

Lots of rich Americans are buying their way into Australia due to Covid, so you could try there. Australia likes to put their concentration camps on tropical islands, so that could be nicer than the US ones if you're wanting to be smuggled in.

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ruin wrote

Based on discussions with friends who moved here from Europe, it’s either the land of freedom and opportunity or a terrifying hell scape of danger and uncertainty. Seems to depend on how much you value economic and health benefits available in your current nation.

Either way, it’s ok. There’s good and bad, like anywhere. The diverse geography is pretty cool. Lots of very different climates and landscapes to explore with minimal impediments to travel.

You can usually pick up and move place to place pretty easily as long as you’re willing to work a shit job for a minute to get settled.

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CaptainACAB wrote

How much do you like corn? Most of everything here is derived from corn.

Unless you work from home, prepare to eat a lot of fast food; if you do work from home, prepare to hate your home as you associate being there with working. And also to order a lot of food if you have no one else who is willing to cook for you.

This is to say nothing about our culture, health care, or how most of the US treats immigrants, I'm sure those will come up soon.

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86944 wrote

I can't really recommend it. Unless you're already a skilled worker in a field with high demand there's nothing here for you except inadequate wages and the most expensive health care anywhere.

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metocin wrote

Canada is just a mash up of the worst parts of British and American culture. Majority of people here are racist against indigenous people while at the same time having this smug sense of superiority over Americans because we didn't have the same history of chattel slavery. That said I do enjoy living here for the most part, up until recently its been better because of legal weed but the latest crackdown on firearms is a pretty big bummer. Access to firearms would be pretty much my only reason for considering moving to the States.

I have the whole (english/irish) settler thing going on here so personally if I could move anywhere it would probably be somewhere in Ireland.

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kano wrote (edited )

I was born and grew up in the United States and I left permanently directly after finishing school. My father came to the United States and is now thinking about leaving it, along with my mother and sister. Some of my friends I had growing up there are trying to or have already left as well.

So I don't know a lot about immigrating to the States or living and working there as an adult. But I think its pretty hard to come here legally(its also hard illegally) depending on where you come from. Salaries can seem higher there then they do in the other countries I lived, but those other countries tend to do things like giving you healthcare, so your costs will also go up a lot as well. And depending on where you live you are really going to need a car, and housing can be really expensive.

The weed in the US is really good even in the states where its not legal & its super easy to get prescription drugs.

I personally find a lot of Americans really obnoxious and I tend to avoid them now that I'm abroad.

American cops are real assholes.

American people tend to be pretty easy to speak to and are more friendly then other places I've lived.

You can get good corn cobs there all the time which is a big benefit.

Its a big country with a diverse geography, climate, and culture.

Its really easy to lead an unhealthy lifestyle there.

If you are white and speak English with a minimal accent you will probably not face too many issues as an immigrant in my experience. If you speak with a British accent then everyone will want to sleep with you, but they'll probably say something about tea and crumpets first.

If you speak Spanish and not English then there are definitely parts of the country, or parts of various cities that you can go too where you don't really have to speak English, but good luck reading this.

University can be really expensive here, health care can be really expensive here, you are not guaranteed parental leave by law, so if you plan to have children I might have second thoughts, though anyone born here is automatically a US citizen which is a benefit. (and I know people whose parents specifically bore them in the US for this reason)

I don't really want to go live there again, but I would like to take an extended trip there, see what's going on.

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bloodrose wrote (edited )

So, like, it depends on what you are looking to get out of a move to the US, where you want to move to, and what your status is now.

Pros:

  • In various parts of the country, you can avoid religion altogether. I know it doesn't seem like it because our politicians are all "God this, God that" but, like, where I live I can avoid religion so easily. I understand in many parts of Europe, you cannot avoid the Catholicism. Here, pretty easy.
  • Americans are really nice. Americans don't realize we are really nice. But I hear from Europeans all the time that we are "too nice".
  • Nature. If you like hiking or chilling in nature, we got lots of it. There are tons of national and state parks that are just fucking nature, yo. So much camping available, too. It's a cheap activity that is fun and beautiful.
  • Wide, open spaces. In the west, there are areas of just nothing with no one.
  • Low crime rates. Don't believe everything you read. It's really really safe here. Statistically speaking, you're not likely to be the victim of a random crime from a stranger.
  • Free speech: some people find this important so I'm including it.
  • Location dependent but there is a lot of cultural diversity in some areas. The town I just moved from was amazing in that regard. My kid had like no white friends and was surrounded by different cultures.

Cons:

  • Health care is expensive or non-existent. Americans want socialized healthcare but we will not be getting it. If you can make it to 65 without getting sick, you're golden. If not...yeah...
  • Racism and sexism are rampant. Organizations you work in/for will tell you they aren't racist or sexist but they are. You'll be told to speak your truth but then be fired if you do. It's ism's that are quiet/unspoken and they bite you in the butt.
  • Homophobia and transphobia. So much. Even in places you wouldn't expect it. :( Legal protections are sporadic and location-dependent.
  • Housing is soo expensive. I've known immigrants who had family money when they moved and they came with lots of education and enough money to buy a house. They did well. Even if you have a good job, if you are burdened with rent, you may have precarity in your life.
  • Food is pretty expensive, too. But there exist ways to get free food if you have the time to deal with it. I've had friends come from Netherlands and just be shocked and amazed at how much groceries cost.

Pro or Con, depending on your viewpoint:

  • Car culture. People who hate cars, hate the US. I grew up in car culture. I love driving on a new road and taking long road trips. You can drive anywhere. Like, I can drive from the beach to skiing in a day where I live. I can drive across the entire country. I wish being a trucker paid well so I could just drive all the time. My husband hates cars so the car culture is hell to him.
  • Gun culture. You will have to deal with it. I dislike guns but had to learn how to shoot anyways. If you're into guns, you'll love it.
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bloodrose wrote

This depends a lot on what neighborhood you live in. While the rate is still low and very low in most places some places are pretty rough. It's not too bad if you have some experience living in cities and used to the area. If someone would move to the US its prob a good idea to avoid places like East STL. Even though there are way more extremely kind people in east STL.

Most things about the US are location dependent because it is such a big darn country. I live in a city that has a high crime rate and I am personally very safe. It's fine as long as I don't buy groceries after dark and I lock my doors. We've had, like, five shootings in the last week in my very small city but the crime is all amongst people who know each other (the latest drive-by the police reported that the victims were targeted by the perpetrators). I think most crime is that way, even property crime.

I can't compare land costs to other countries but forested land with halfway decent soil for 10k an acre or less is somewhat feasible.

I disagree with the "halfway decent soil" portion of your comment. I was looking to buy land and all the land in that price range in the west was in high desert which would require significant soil rehab. But soil rehab is possible and doable. There is some cheap stuff in Tennessee whose soil I didn't look into because I didn't want to move to Tennessee but I would bet it's the rocky, acidic soil that area can get.

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ruin wrote

You can get land with good soil for closer to 1k an acre in the southeast, southern appalachians, and out towards the ozarks. But, as you mentioned, it’s nowhere you’d want to live if you are at all interested in being social.

Some western states you’ll even run into water rights issues, as in you can’t even collect rain water or have a well since you don’t own the water just your land.

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_caspar_ wrote

"But, as you mentioned, it’s nowhere you’d want to live if you are at all interested in being social."

covid has made that a default almost anywhere now. and in the coming years (though maybe not as extreme as in 10-20yrs), I expect there to be a more dramatic migratory shift with folks being forced out of cities due to cost, and further away from higher climate instability zones (southeast and southwest) due to high heat, humidity, and coastal storms/sea level rise. this will change the culture in places like appalachia and the ozarks. plus being near a college town/city draws in a few people from everywhere.

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_caspar_ wrote (edited )

it greatly depends. what you are looking for? or rather, what type of environment and lifestyle suits you?

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ruin wrote

It’ll be interesting to see.

We have a lot of people move out to our area all excited about nature and solitude. Usually a winter is enough to send them back to the city.

It’s different in the summer when the weather is nice, weekenders from the city are up, farmers markets going. I’d guess the population is triple the winter in the small towns on a weekend. Lots of nice liberal folks to talk farm to table dinners with. Winter is long, cold, and isolating.

I’m not saying it’s not changing, just that it will take time. Country life isn’t for everyone.

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_caspar_ wrote

I agree, and some cities might trend higher rent, some lower. I was mainly thinking of migration from places like Houston, New Orleans, Miami, and Phoenix that might become too unsuitable to live in a decade or so. it will also be strange to see what happens to commercial spaces becoming vacant due to more employees working from home and employers not wanting to pay for the space, and if that will actually be a factor at all.

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groovygardener42069 wrote

I'd say it depends on where you're coming from and what you're looking for.

There's just so much diversity, geographically and culturally.

I'm not sure I'd want to move to the US from a place with lots of economic opportunity and free health care, but it's probably a step up from areas of the world that do not have that luxury.

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masque wrote (edited )

This is despite the US having better weather for one compared to Canada.

Both the US and Canada are way too big for there to be a "US weather" that can be compared with "Canadian weather."

For instance, Victoria has a Mediterranean climate that I would argue makes it one of the nicest cities in the world, weather-wise.

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moonlune wrote (edited )

As an European, this is how I understand it: f you're very good at something and ready to play their game, you've got potential to make bank and have a very good life. If you're average or don't want to live for your job, it's better to stay in Europe and take advantage of our worker protections.

Also, with the amount of guns and religious fanatics and individualistic mentality, the usa are probably not the best place to live through an environnemental collapse ( and following potential civil war) in a few decades.

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cdubose wrote

I know this thread is a two weeks old now, but: why are you considering moving to the US? (I ask as an American who hates living here.)

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celebratedrecluse OP wrote

That's a good point. maybe get out, before things get too bad? How terrible are the regulations there? It seems like a wild west on the movie screen, but that seems like an illusion or projected self-image.

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celebratedrecluse OP wrote

The weed in the US is really good even in the states where its not legal & its super easy to get prescription drugs.

I personally find a lot of Americans really obnoxious and I tend to avoid them now that I'm abroad.

the meme of the man choosing between two buttons

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celebratedrecluse OP wrote

Lots of rich Americans are buying their way into Australia due to Covid, so you could try there. Australia likes to put their concentration camps on tropical islands, so that could be nicer than the US ones if you're wanting to be smuggled in.

Well, hopefully I make it to the somewhat larger island, instead of being stuck on one of the smaller ones.

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groovygardener42069 wrote

I don't know you, so that's hard to say.

Don't like the cold, want to be around other immigrant communities in a fairly "progressive" (for the southern US) city? Try, Houston, Phoenix, or Tampa. If you got a little money to burn, there's Miami and Atlanta too.

Wanna be around a bunch of anarchists and like actual nazis to hunt down for sport in your spare time? Pacific Northwest

Like the cold and an element of danger wherever you go? Try Alaska, Montana, or the Dakotas. If you'd prefer that in an urban environment there's always the entire New England coast to choose from

As a general rule, avoid states that are just like, polygon shapes.

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_caspar_ wrote

"A place for strange girls to be gay"

could be anywhere really, but urban areas/college towns seem less hostile.

"run a small business with no employees"

they call that self-employment. theres a tax return specifically for that.

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