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bloodrose wrote (edited )

So, like, it depends on what you are looking to get out of a move to the US, where you want to move to, and what your status is now.

Pros:

  • In various parts of the country, you can avoid religion altogether. I know it doesn't seem like it because our politicians are all "God this, God that" but, like, where I live I can avoid religion so easily. I understand in many parts of Europe, you cannot avoid the Catholicism. Here, pretty easy.
  • Americans are really nice. Americans don't realize we are really nice. But I hear from Europeans all the time that we are "too nice".
  • Nature. If you like hiking or chilling in nature, we got lots of it. There are tons of national and state parks that are just fucking nature, yo. So much camping available, too. It's a cheap activity that is fun and beautiful.
  • Wide, open spaces. In the west, there are areas of just nothing with no one.
  • Low crime rates. Don't believe everything you read. It's really really safe here. Statistically speaking, you're not likely to be the victim of a random crime from a stranger.
  • Free speech: some people find this important so I'm including it.
  • Location dependent but there is a lot of cultural diversity in some areas. The town I just moved from was amazing in that regard. My kid had like no white friends and was surrounded by different cultures.

Cons:

  • Health care is expensive or non-existent. Americans want socialized healthcare but we will not be getting it. If you can make it to 65 without getting sick, you're golden. If not...yeah...
  • Racism and sexism are rampant. Organizations you work in/for will tell you they aren't racist or sexist but they are. You'll be told to speak your truth but then be fired if you do. It's ism's that are quiet/unspoken and they bite you in the butt.
  • Homophobia and transphobia. So much. Even in places you wouldn't expect it. :( Legal protections are sporadic and location-dependent.
  • Housing is soo expensive. I've known immigrants who had family money when they moved and they came with lots of education and enough money to buy a house. They did well. Even if you have a good job, if you are burdened with rent, you may have precarity in your life.
  • Food is pretty expensive, too. But there exist ways to get free food if you have the time to deal with it. I've had friends come from Netherlands and just be shocked and amazed at how much groceries cost.

Pro or Con, depending on your viewpoint:

  • Car culture. People who hate cars, hate the US. I grew up in car culture. I love driving on a new road and taking long road trips. You can drive anywhere. Like, I can drive from the beach to skiing in a day where I live. I can drive across the entire country. I wish being a trucker paid well so I could just drive all the time. My husband hates cars so the car culture is hell to him.
  • Gun culture. You will have to deal with it. I dislike guns but had to learn how to shoot anyways. If you're into guns, you'll love it.
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bloodrose wrote

This depends a lot on what neighborhood you live in. While the rate is still low and very low in most places some places are pretty rough. It's not too bad if you have some experience living in cities and used to the area. If someone would move to the US its prob a good idea to avoid places like East STL. Even though there are way more extremely kind people in east STL.

Most things about the US are location dependent because it is such a big darn country. I live in a city that has a high crime rate and I am personally very safe. It's fine as long as I don't buy groceries after dark and I lock my doors. We've had, like, five shootings in the last week in my very small city but the crime is all amongst people who know each other (the latest drive-by the police reported that the victims were targeted by the perpetrators). I think most crime is that way, even property crime.

I can't compare land costs to other countries but forested land with halfway decent soil for 10k an acre or less is somewhat feasible.

I disagree with the "halfway decent soil" portion of your comment. I was looking to buy land and all the land in that price range in the west was in high desert which would require significant soil rehab. But soil rehab is possible and doable. There is some cheap stuff in Tennessee whose soil I didn't look into because I didn't want to move to Tennessee but I would bet it's the rocky, acidic soil that area can get.

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ruin wrote

You can get land with good soil for closer to 1k an acre in the southeast, southern appalachians, and out towards the ozarks. But, as you mentioned, it’s nowhere you’d want to live if you are at all interested in being social.

Some western states you’ll even run into water rights issues, as in you can’t even collect rain water or have a well since you don’t own the water just your land.

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_caspar_ wrote

"But, as you mentioned, it’s nowhere you’d want to live if you are at all interested in being social."

covid has made that a default almost anywhere now. and in the coming years (though maybe not as extreme as in 10-20yrs), I expect there to be a more dramatic migratory shift with folks being forced out of cities due to cost, and further away from higher climate instability zones (southeast and southwest) due to high heat, humidity, and coastal storms/sea level rise. this will change the culture in places like appalachia and the ozarks. plus being near a college town/city draws in a few people from everywhere.

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ruin wrote

It’ll be interesting to see.

We have a lot of people move out to our area all excited about nature and solitude. Usually a winter is enough to send them back to the city.

It’s different in the summer when the weather is nice, weekenders from the city are up, farmers markets going. I’d guess the population is triple the winter in the small towns on a weekend. Lots of nice liberal folks to talk farm to table dinners with. Winter is long, cold, and isolating.

I’m not saying it’s not changing, just that it will take time. Country life isn’t for everyone.

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_caspar_ wrote

I agree, and some cities might trend higher rent, some lower. I was mainly thinking of migration from places like Houston, New Orleans, Miami, and Phoenix that might become too unsuitable to live in a decade or so. it will also be strange to see what happens to commercial spaces becoming vacant due to more employees working from home and employers not wanting to pay for the space, and if that will actually be a factor at all.

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celebratedrecluse OP wrote

Thank you for the perspective, this is very helpful

Do you know anything about immigrating to that country, with a firearm which isn't legal in the place it's from? I don't know if that matters.

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