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milkweed wrote

So are you saying science is subjective?

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ruin wrote

Yes.

Objectivity is a myth.

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milkweed wrote

That statement is useless.

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ruin wrote

It’s a widely accepted epistemological concept.

Many scientists agree that human beings are incapable of truly understanding any objective reality of the world we inhabit. All observation is ultimately based on sensory experience and therefore representational. That’s before you take into account further factors including training, method, instrumentation, current paradigms, and personal bias.

I’m not calling science useless, but it’s disingenuous to call it truth or to imagine that it’s not representative of and biased towards the values of the humans that practice it and the society in which they operate.

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milkweed wrote

If you want to talk about Mendelian genetics and the whole soviet bullshit, sure. But I don’t see any other good instances of society influencing the science itself. The direction science takes? Sure that’s def influenced.

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ruin wrote

You’re take on this is extremely superficial.

If you have interest in an anarchist perspective I’d recommend listening to the Immediatism podcast. Episodes 295-297 are some essays on science by Alex Gorrion that you might enjoy. Or you might dismiss them as garbage.

If you’re a reader, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions by Thomas Kuhn is one the most often quoted books in the sciences in general and has gained mainstream acceptance.

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milkweed wrote (edited )

Is that what you use to dismiss medicine? Also yeah, you can say everything is subjective, but if at the end of the day you’re using that pseudo fact to cast doubt on vaccines, you’ve made your position clear.

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milkweed wrote

“ I’m not anti vax, but I am very, very skeptical of western medicine in general”

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milkweed wrote

So what is your solution, are you a primitivist?

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ruin wrote

I’m happy to engage in conversation, but your continuing misrepresentations of my position would seem to indicate that you’re either not reading my posts in good faith, or you have a challenge in comprehension.

Either way, enjoy the rest of your day.

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ruin wrote

I rarely agree with ruin but they are correct in this instance.

I’m saving this post forever;)

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milkweed wrote

Yeah I don’t disagree with that, I’m just saying that dismissing everything as subjective and biased is useless.

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ruin wrote

“Recognizing” everything is subjective and “dismissing” everything as subjective are two entirely different things.

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