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dreamweaver wrote (edited )

There is no reason to think he would close them, is there?

pressure from the more progressive part of the party and voter base

Morality is the problem, not a solution to it.

what the frick does that mean

e: aight imma assume thats just a soundbite

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CaptainACAB wrote (edited )

pressure from the more progressive part of the party and voter base

They weren't able to stop those systems from being built in the first place.

What's changed that would create enough pressure for him to undo what he's built?

A small surge in progressivism doesn't change the fundamentally centrist political party.

If anything, the centrist majority will take any victory that they get and come up with the conclusion that they can get progressive voters regardless of who they put up and will continue to pander to the right-moderate who were going to vote for Trump anyway.

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dreamweaver wrote

now that is an argument i can agree with

thats my main worry

i think until we get enough people to actively seek change (if that ever happens), that state of affairs wont go away

until then if either the centrists or progressives win, we bring down a powerful figure of hard right authoritarianism that inflates tension to this day

we'll still be under capitalist rule afterwards, but that doesnt mean well suffer science denying for things as essential as handling the current pandemic for instance

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ziq wrote

pressure from the more progressive part of the party and voter base

why would someone who's already been crowned king need to follow orders from his subordinates? The only orders he will follow are orders from his superiors (the capitalists who pay him).

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dreamweaver wrote

we acting like congress and senate dont exist?

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celebratedrecluse wrote

No, the congress and senate are the ones doing that. Name one major thing they've successfully checked the executive branch from doing in the past 20 years; perhaps I'm mistaken, but I can't think of a single thing.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

pressure from the more progressive part of the party and voter base

This is so unbelievably delusional. What is your evidence that this will work...? Biden was the white right-wing pick for the obama administration to win the ticket in 2008 and 2012. His administration picked a district attorney who literally implemented slavery and apartheid on the black and brown community, to be their VP. The party they control fucked over the only social democrat in the primary race, and are explicitly catering to middle class suburbanites in the general. This isn't ancient history, it's an ongoing phenomenon.

what the frick does that mean e: aight imma assume thats just a soundbite

Lesser evilism and the belief in majoritarianism is the path to authoritarianism. Biden has said he will crucify the anarchists in your country, specifically that he will prosecute people federally for being an anarchist. you are a fool to think he is joking or just playing around; perhaps you are not so radical, so you think you can get away by slipping under the radar. But your comrades will suffer for such cowardice.

Stop thinking you have control over the government, or that you're going to. These people aren't on your side, or mine for that matter. I have no doubt Biden will continue to kill the people in my area, just as the rest of them have for decades now.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

Furthermore, with respect to "laziness"; the voting registrar is PUBLIC INFORMATION in your country. Your home address is listed PUBLICLY when you register to vote. Do you really want to do this? Are you going to call "lazy" those who do not submit to this dangerous act? Perhaps for you, it is a question of "laziness" versus "civil service"; for many others, it is a question of "survival" versus "not survival". There is a civil war brewing in your country, do not moralistically shame those who seek to protect themselves and their personal information. Perhaps they are doing something actually meaningfully, like engaging in direct political action, and don't see the benefit of enthroning some ruler or another when both parties and all candidates are culpable and dangerous to them. Insufferable american!

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