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emma wrote

Have you ever talked to an ordinary Chinese worker in Chinese who isn't on Western social media speaking English

I made a thread about why you might have made this oddly specific exclusion.

You're part of a cult. I hope you're able to leave sooner rather than later, and not waste your life performing mental gymnastics to justify your bizarre fantasies about authoritarian states.

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CPUSA OP wrote (edited )

Communism is not a cult lmao, we don't even believe in religions. Do you know anything about communists?

authoritarian

Such an insipid, useless term. It has never had a consistent meaning. What matters is who represents the authority. You anarchists believe anything that uses the power of the state to suppress the capitalists is a “hierarchy” and should be rejected. This is complete nonsense. Even your own anarchist philosophers support a transitional state, notably when discussing what your revolution would look like, they will say a transitional period is needed to prepare the working class for communism. Anarchists don’t seem to view mob violence (Antifa) and murdering political opponents with bombs as authoritarian. Yet when state apparatuses do it to the enemies of the people, regardless of class character, you anarchists say it's authoritarian because of the “hierarchy” of the state. Get this putrid notion out of arrogant American skull. Authority is good and needed when it is for the people and bad when it is used against the people. You live in a fantasy land if you think you can take on the USA without the defenses of a strong socialist state.

You non Marxists constantly refuse to organize effectively because hierarchies bad, well I've got news for you friendo, you always base your movements around entirely non-class-based issues (identity politics), you're a bunch of pacifist babies who don't understand the 'smash' part of smashing the bourgeois state and think it just means to write rock songs about peace and love “This guitar kills fascists” jokers. No. Communists kill fascists. Using a state's authority..

Some of the leftists here can learn and be brought over to the Marxist position with a little effort... As a general rule, the lower a leftist's class status, the more likely he is to be convinced to come to communism. If we did a poll of all the users here, you would see that the most ardent anti-communist, pro-imperialism anarchists are all middle class or higher, while those who work with communists are working class and true comrades.

I don't think communists should work with imperialists, but don't take this as a rejection of left unity. I just don't think letting any anarchist libs or revisionists into the party is a very good idea because they'll poison it from within.

True left unity is MLs and Maoists (MLMs) working together towards our common goals. This of course means Maoist comrades need to actually read Marx (not memes with short quotes, actual Marx) so they can wrap their heads around the concept of productive forces, and come to understand that dialectics have a material component. What does this mean? Simple. It means that dialectics themselves shouldn't be treated as though they are concrete rather than abstract. Only then can we build some real power and start to implement the policies needed (via the dictatorship of the proletariat) to create the material conditions for the revolution.

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catachresis wrote

You're spouting so much bullshit and you're not ever close to actually being right about anything either. Get your head out of your ass. The state doesn't care about you.

anti-communist, pro-imperialism anarchists

This is the funniest thing i've read all day

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UwUltraviolence wrote

As a general rule, the lower a leftist's class status, the more likely he is to be convinced to come to communism.

See, here's your problem! Only people who use he/him pronouns can be communists! Plenty of people here don't use those! Jeez CPUSA, there's your problem! Someone made Communism, but only for the "boys" and other he/him using folks!!!!!

Maybe if ur communism let in other pronouns we would be China supporters 2!

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CPUSA OP wrote

It's easy for Western leftists to conflate their capitalist states with socialist ones, but I assure you they are entirely different beasts. The socialist state only exists to serve the people. The capitalist state only serves capitalism.

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catachresis wrote

Do you live in a socialist state? I'm not conflating them. The state still doesn't care about you. A state might take care of you, or a public servant might care for you. Either way you are still a pawn in the State's game. The answer isn't what you think it is.

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ComradeXi wrote

I do not live in a socialist state currently but I lived in China for two years and 3 months for work. A socialist state (not a social democracy) only exists to serve its people. I saw this with my own eyes while living in China. The state punishes capitalists who break the law.

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catachresis wrote

A socialist state only exists to serve its people.

How do the people choose how they want to get served? Doesn't the government end up choosing for them?

I might be able to agree with you that a socialist state is the best state. I don't want a state and there will always be people in the future that won't want a state.

The state punishes capitalists who break the law.

Is this all you can say about how China treats it's people? They go after capitalists?

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emma wrote (edited )

didn't read

A cult isn't limited to a specific religious belief, btw. Is it dialectics when you focus on one part of the definition to avoid addressing the other parts?

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CPUSA OP wrote

didn't read

The words of every anarchist across the world when presented with Marxist theory.

Truly pathetic.

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emma wrote

Is it dialectics to have a white saviour complex?

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CPUSA OP wrote

You don't know what the color of my skin is, don't presume to know me.

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emma wrote

Why don't you enlighten me?

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CPUSA OP wrote

My skin color is irrelevant.

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emma wrote (edited )

Of course it is, white person who has no stake in Chinese affairs. My bad.

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polpotisevil2 wrote

If we did a poll of all the users here, you would see that the most ardent anti-communist, pro-imperialism anarchists are all middle class or higher, while those who work with communists are working class and true comrades.

Interesting... I wonder where all the money you say I have is. I'll bet a million dollars right now I'm lower class and more blue collar than you and likely most of the communists you know (in the USA). That's right, I'm willing to go into an extra $999,615 of debt because I am extremely sure of winning this. Do the math and you figure out how much money is in my back account right now, and that's not counting the debt I'm in already.

The communists I am friends with are white collar workers, making salaries higher than mine with easier and less skilled jobs

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