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ziq wrote

Unlike every other rad politics space, it doesn't cater to obnoxious entitled upper middle class white boys with zero interest in abandoning their place on the hierarchy. Apparently that's bad for business.

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keez wrote

LMAO the comments here are so obviously staged

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BioWarfarePosadist wrote

Yeah, I actually work over at Chapo Chat, and basically the only time anyone from Chapo chat post here, it's to tell off these idiots. Please downvote them. I did!

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keez wrote

Why work there tho, its reddit v2.0

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ziq wrote

apparently they'd rather be doing the bidding of a red fash than maintain a modicum of self respect

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BioWarfarePosadist wrote

More like RADdit v2.0, amirite!? But no, I like the head Admin, and my best friend develops on it. It's not that bad, really, but if it's not your thing, it's not your thing.

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ziq wrote

You like that red fash because you're a fucking bootlick. Let's hope he doesn't get any real power or he'll gulag the fuck out of you.

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bonanthebarbarian wrote

If we got power why would we gulag our comrades? We'd gulag you anarkiddies to protect the revolution, sure, but not other communists.

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bonanthebarbarian wrote (edited )

What? Who said anything about killing you? I said gulag. Gulags were actually very humane compared to Western prisons. Even your fucking CIA admits it! You can't just believe all the propaganda your reactionary media feeds you.

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80T00246A032000400001-1.pdf

On page 3, article 13 shortly summarized describes gulag prisoners, working and crippled alike, being paid for their services and having 8 hour work days .

Compensation Versus Coercion in the Soviet GULAG

https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics/staff/mharrison/archive/noticeboard/bergson/borodkin-ertz.pdf

  1. By the time the Gulag system was abandoned as a major instrument of Soviet industrial policy, the primary distinction between slave and free labor had been blurred: Gulag inmates were being paid wages according to a system that mirrored that of the civilian economy described by Bergson..”

  2. The Work Credit SystemThe Gulag administration used a “work credit” system, whereby sentences were reduced (by two days or more for every day the norm was overfulfilled). The evolution of this specific motivation system implemented in GULAG in 1930s and at the end of 1940s – beginning of 1950s is described on our separate paper (see endnote). This incentive system, which all participants understood was among the most effective, also threatened to drive a wedge between camp managers who needed more production now and the Gulag Administration, which had to consider the loss of inmates through early releases”

  3. Monetary Bonuses for Good WorkStarting from the very beginning (in early 1930s) the Gulag Administration used differentiated monetary payments (premvoznagrazhdeniia) for work performed by Gulag inmates. Those payments were not substantial (1.5-2 rubles per day)8 and they were paid to inmates as rewards for fulfilling work plans. Throughout the 1940s, administrative reports referred to these payments as “monetary rewards” and “monetary bonus remuneration”. Prior to 1950, monetary payments were basically in the form of supplemental bonuses. The 1939 “Provisional Instructions on Procedures for Inmates in Correctional Labor Camps” required that monetary bonuses be credited to the inmate’s personal account up to a monthly upper limit.Inmates could also be given personal cash totaling no more than 100 rubles a month, subject to the approval of the division chief.Bonuses and personal cash were to be issued”piecemeal at different times, in such a manner that the total amount in an inmate’s possession does not exceed 50 rubles” . The 1947 procedures for Gulag inmates spelled out a similar terms for monetary rewards for overfulfilling production norms. According to Gulag director (Nasedkin), writing in 1947, inmates could receive cash amounts of not more than 150 rubles at one time. Any sums over this amount were credited to inmate’s personal account and were paid out as previously issued cash was spent.”

More sources: the economics of forced labor, Gregory ^chapters ^2,3,5 ^deal ^most ^heavily ^with ^the ^topic.

“Cheburekin, a former Norillag inmate, wrote that wages were introduced for inmates “at northern rates, but 30 percent lower than for free workers. They withheld only for ‘room and board,’ and the rest went into my bank account. I could take up to 250 rubles a month for my expenses. . . . I received 1,200 rubles a month, and after all the deductions something was left over, and accumulated in the account. Some professional drivers . . . earned up to 5,000 a month!” A. A. Gayevsky, an engineer, remembered the following: “When I was released from the camp in 1947, I got hu 2,561 rubles and kopeks of the money that I had earned, and I was issued a cotton blanket, a lumpy mattress, a sheet and a pillowcase.” After Gayevsky received his certificate of release, which stated that he was to go to his “chosen” place of residence— the settlement of Norilsk in Krasnoyarsk Krai (which wasn’t yet a city in 1947)—he remained at the plant in the same job, though in the new capacity of free worker. But since his sentence had stripped him of his rights for five years, he did not receive the benefits for the workers in the far north”

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kin wrote

Gulags are niice can you book me five days next week? Double bed, room service and guided tour.

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bonanthebarbarian wrote

If you're an anarchist / liberal I'm sure a room will be provided for you after the revolution.

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kin wrote

You don't like liberals too? Why you don't like liberals? You are too sectary, tovarisch.

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ziq wrote

Posadists are anti-ML.

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bonanthebarbarian wrote

Beatnik isn't sectarian like you.

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ziq wrote

See, the way cults work, the leader whispers sweet lies in your ear to get you good and programmed long before they start passing out the kool-aid.

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ziq wrote

work

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ziq wrote

I doubt China pays them. They're such giant bootlicks they'll do it for free.

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bonanthebarbarian wrote

EvErYoNe WhO iS aGaInSt WeStErN iMpErIaLiSm Is A cHiNeSe AgEnT

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ziq wrote

Yeah that doesn't work when you dipshits have accused everyone here of being in the cia.

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bonanthebarbarian wrote

The guy who runs this place famously uses sockpuppets to attack leftists. You should maybe redirect your rage at him, where it belongs, and not at OP.

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bonanthebarbarian wrote

So you have no problem with the proven sockpuppet abuse but calling someone "guy" makes you lose it?

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bonanthebarbarian wrote

Ziq deleted all the evidence to try and cover it up, but I saw an archive of it on chapo.chat. Search for "raddle" on there.

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ziq wrote

I took back my apology. Fuck tankies and transhumanists.

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bonanthebarbarian wrote

How naive are you that you think anything has changed. This site is obviously filled with sockpuppets and abuse. Whenever a communist signs up all of ziq's sockpuppets come out to attack us.

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judgejuby wrote

Hi we all moved to chapo.chat come check it out. This site has shitty mods.

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bonanthebarbarian wrote

Thanks comrade, I too was wondering why this place is so dead but chapo.chat looks much better.

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judgejuby wrote

You're welcome. chapo.chat has only been up for a couple weeks but it already has 10 times more people on it than here because the mods are much more chill and don't ban you for using words like 'crazy' completely inoffensively.

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bonanthebarbarian wrote

Wow that's really impressive. It looks like progressives have a new home in chapo.chat.

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doratheexploder OP wrote

I just checked out chapo.chat and you're right, it's much better than this place, much more activity, much more chill people.

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ziq wrote

MUCH MORE CHILL TOTALLY NOT MANUFACTURED

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