Submitted by NeoliberalismKills in AskRaddle

I want to take a deeper dive into this thought. I've read a few essays and basic overviews and I am 100% on board with anti-civ thought. I feel it in my soul, so to speak, as being in/apart of Nature nourishes me in way nothing else can.

Is Kevin Tucker or Zerzan worth engaging? Or are their "better" thinkers out there now?

Anybody familiar with the Oak Journal or Tucker's Wild Resistance journal and can recommend?

Thanks in advance!

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polpotisevil2 wrote (edited )

Not going to recommend anything, but do want to give you a tip: beware of anyone romanticizing primitive or non-civ life

There are hardships in life that aren't related to civilization. Anyone claiming non-civ life is necessarily egalitarian, affluent, leisurely, etc is probably a bit brainwashed and utopian

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NeoliberalismKills OP wrote

Beware anyone claiming any utopia is just plain sound advice. Thanks for the feedback.

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polpotisevil2 wrote

You are welcome, also if I were to recommend anything I did make the sidebar of /f/anarcho_primitivism back in the day so feel free to look at that as another comment also recommended

Would also add these days Max Stirner's work to anybody's reading list

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clemon wrote

i thought it -- primitivism -- was more about how awful humanity is, than the gloriousness of primitive society.

that's a question he

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clemon wrote

intrinsically?

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Majrelende wrote

From my experience, the divide is more between those who advocate some form of agriculture and those who do not.

If I can remember correctly, there are even supporters of capitalism who consider it to be a necessary evil. Believing that a society is a flawless utopia is different from believing it is the best kind in which to live.

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clemon wrote

good to kenow thanks

the best one liner i read about prims involved 'antibiotics'. the reality of it is prolly would involve a return to god as much as nature

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polpotisevil2 wrote

Let me ask you this, when is the last time you took antibiotics, and what was it for?

Keep an eye out for updates to this post http://lfbg75wjgi4nzdio.onion/f/anarcho_primitivism/115946/help-making-list-of-health-problems-solved-or-mitigated-by

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clemon wrote

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polpotisevil2 wrote

Did you read my comment? "...what was it for?"

Enjoy slaving away for 50-60 years and then the next 30 (if ""lucky") addicted to pain killers and in a retirement home and in/out of the hostpital. Oh, if you are rich enough to afford it. Otherwise you probably aren't living to 80-90. Life expectancy means nothing without regard to life satisfaction. A 10-20 year difference (in life capability) is not much. I don't know if you are old enough to have had a moment in your life that was satisfactory enough to be able to justify sacrificing a few years just to have that time in your life, but I am. The link you posted only confirms what was stated in the link I posted, if you were bothered enough to read the comments.

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polpotisevil2 wrote

No, I do not glorify primitive life, but I do want to live a primitive life.

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rot wrote

zerzan is intensely primitivist anti-civ is more of a critique of modern life like in Desert.

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