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exvegan OP wrote

Do you at least acknowledge how vegans in the leftist movement alienate prospective comrades who aren't down with Western diet fads?

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ziq wrote

I've never known a meat-eating anarchist to care what vegan anarchists think of them. If they cared about that kind of thing, they wouldn't consume the lives of others for their sustenance.

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exvegan OP wrote

What's the alternative? Eating vegetables and grains that have been farmed by exploited min-wage migrant labourers and even slaves in third world countries? How is that better than eating a chicken?

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ziq wrote

Source your own food, and if you can't then get the fuck out of the city and find a habitat that can actually sustain human life without you being dependant on destructive external powers for all the necessities of life.

The reliance on imported resources for basic survival always results in the tempering of authoritarian systems that increasingly suffocate the people living under them, before the systems inevitably exhaust themselves and implode - leaving millions of dependants to starve.

City culture requires the constant importation of food and is what allows states/capital to build their power. Your dependence on state and capital can be traced with a straight line right back to the development of agriculture, which enslaved nomadic humans and other animals to work the rapidly depleted land so the new land "owners" could develop their wealth, power and control.

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exvegan OP wrote

I thought this site was for leftists, not ecofascists.

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NOISEBOB wrote

Who says that this oppression is better than that oppression?

One option is gardening, another is gardening co-ops, another is theft... non-oppressed sources of food taste best.

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exvegan OP wrote

If you steal food it was still produced using exploitation, so that doesn't solve anything.

Gardening still requires manure which is created in meat farms.

Co-ops same deal. All oppress.

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NOISEBOB wrote

I can make manure from my own piss and shit.

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exvegan OP wrote

Piss and shit you created by eating food you bought in a supermarket, no doubt.

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NOISEBOB wrote

It's not a fad....

There is not a single person on the planet who cannot eat plants.

I know acknowledge that the movement has flaws. Can't see how veganism alienates, tho.

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exvegan OP wrote

You're assuming that plant protein sources are always available to everyone. You need to combine various plants to create complete proteins. But irregardless, people have been eating animals forever and who are you to tell them their age old customs are backwards?

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NOISEBOB wrote (edited )

I'm not shaming anyone but privileged westerners who eat meat without questioning where it comes from....

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