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celebratedrecluse wrote

Reply to comment by OdiousOutlaw in by !deleted6686

Surely you don't think "ancaps" are anarchists? They're capitalists, aren't they? Isn't it reifying their position to validate them as anarchists? That's why I don't do that, personally.

what I am talking about are actual anarchists, not people who are trying to colonize anarchist ideology & aesthetics from the outside in service of hierarchy. There are plenty of problematic actual anarchists: I'm curious why another anarchist would come to the conclusion that it's better to be skeptical of anyone under that heading, instead of taking it on a case by case basis, because that's just so contradictory to my point of view and I find that interesting.

But I don't think you are really engaging, you're bringing up people of entirely different ideological camps. obviously we all hate ancaps, at least I would hope lol

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OdiousOutlaw wrote

Surely you don't think "ancaps" are anarchists? They're capitalists, aren't they? Isn't it reifying their position to validate them as anarchists? That's why I don't do that, personally.

No. But they think they are and they call themselves anarchists. All the time. And nothing would stop them from labeling their meetups as anarchist. And we can't really stop them from doing so.

I'm curious why another anarchist would come to the conclusion that it's better to be skeptical of anyone under that heading, instead of taking it on a case by case basis, because that's just so contradictory to my point of view and I find that interesting.

If you're talking about me, it's because I just don't trust easily. If you want a reason for that conclusion, just chalk it up to my personality, feelings, and experiences finding it justified. If you're talking about anyone else, I can't answer for them.

But I don't think you are really engaging, you're bringing up people of entirely different ideological camps.

Okay. I think I can see why you view this the way you do. To further clarify, I'm not opposed to working with "actual" anarchists at all.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

Okay. I think I can see why you view this the way you do. To further clarify, I'm not opposed to working with "actual" anarchists at all.

Cool, okay. Now that the ancap/CSA red herring is addressed and put aside, that's what I'm curious about peoples' critiques of: why one shouldn't work with anarchists, or why anarchists would be unnecessary to the implementation of...anarchy. But I don't think there's anyone who is really articulating this counterpoint anymore, which is a shame because I was, again, genuinely interested

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OdiousOutlaw wrote

I'm curious about peoples' critiques of: why one shouldn't work with anarchists, or why anarchists would be unnecessary to the implementation of...anarchy.

I could make an attempt at arguing for these points if you're still interested. I can't promise to be good at it, but I have a few reasons in mind for why someone would come to those conclusions.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

sure, let's talk!

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OdiousOutlaw wrote

Well, we could talk on this thread; make a new one and hash it out there; or I could temporarily open my PMs and we could do it one on one. I'd prefer either of the first two, if only so others could join in on the discussion and benefit from it.

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