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ziq wrote

Hmm.

Let's focus on North America since it's clearly the center of the world.

Imminent threat?

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OKC wrote

To be fair, these are racist attacks but it isn't an organized fascist movement.

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retiredaccount wrote

Remember, fascism was first formed in 1919 but took power just years after; fascism strikes and forms quick. It can easily become a coup from disjointed attacks in only months.

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OKC wrote

So you are saying a fascist party will attempt a coup to overthrow the government. Is this really likely? The national guard alone would crush them.

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ziq wrote

Expecting the exact same conditions to exist and the exact same events to unfold and the exact same version of fascism to manifest is silly. Politics adapt.

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OKC wrote

You can't call it fascism if it's not the same as fascism.

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retiredaccount wrote

I'm not saying its very likely, but that fascism should be put down before such a thing could be considered possible. I suppose you'd think the Italian military would be able to put down a few civilian partisans as well, no? Especially since that military had just been on the winning side of the biggest war the world had seen at the time.

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OKC wrote

I don't think you can compare Italy back then to America now. The Italian government wouldn't stand a chance up against our modern armory.

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retiredaccount wrote

You can compare it to any unstable government; maybe not now, but maybe in five years the economy crashes and its fertile land for a proper coup.

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OKC wrote

Our military is not dependent on the economy... Even during the great depression, the military grew bigger than ever.

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retiredaccount wrote

The Italian military was still big at the time. Its not about the military, its about the success of the coup. Also, if you really wanna bring up the Great Depression, the Business Plot was planned.

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selver wrote

It is a bit strange to focus so much attention on a marginal possible threat, while faced with the horror of the status quo. I think fascists and antifa feed off each other to not feel completely irrelevant.

There are places in the US where antifa activity has been very important, but I'd agree it's probably not the thing anarchists need getting so much attention from the media.

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geegaw wrote

What makes you think antifastists are not also involved in other political action? Like, the surveillance state has gotten especially bad the last ten years. All manner of authoritarians are just dying for yet another excuse to expand it. Those in my country who spoke out cirka 2008 will unfortunately be handing out lots of I-told-you-so's pretty soon.

The reason fascism might seem like less of a threat is precisely because people are engaged in antifascist action. The effectiveness of nipping that shit in the bud is evident in how for example the alt-right is currently falling apart.

I might just ask you the same: what are you doing to address the rise of the surveillance state? Or the cable-TV-fication of the Internet?

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OKC wrote

Right now I'm spreading awareness on this site.

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geegaw wrote

In that case you're preaching to the choir. I doubt you'll find anyone on here in favor of state surveillance (it's always used to repress leftists) or not in favor of net neutrality (the repeal thereof being an obvious greedy cash grab)

Actually, while I have you on the line so to say, do give /f/freeasinfreedom and /f/privacy a look

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plast wrote

Its not. Any disputes settled in the streets, solve nothing. ANTIFA is just virtue signaling. In the end it makes a helpless group of people think they are fighting the enemy when in reality they're just fighting the result of it. What there needs to be is the usage of capital to build infrastructure that evenly distributes wealth and fosters community independence. ANTIFA will argue this point, but overall they're seen as a joke.

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OKC wrote

Creating wealth and development, now you're talking my language. Glad to see not everyone here is a commie.