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GrimWillow wrote (edited )

We see you wearing masks to hide your identities, clad all in black, and beating innocent people in the streets. Burning American flags.

We live in a surveillance state, where the oppressors hold the keys. The electronics are pretty advanced, does it not make sense to hide your identity from a corrupt state?

Throwing smoke grenades and molotovs at police officers just doing their jobs.

And what is their job? To violently oppress everyone into falling into place to be the labor livestock for the rich. The biggest thing holding this shit circus together is not "the love for money and success", it's the violence of the military and police. If you don't pay your rent to the people that beat and raped to get it, then the cops will command you to leave that space. Their entire existence is to function as slave catchers, and we are all the slaves (many more of us even more so). The historical inception of the police force was to quell uprisings from the people and catch slaves that you seem to oppose in other comments.

We see you terrorizing people who are exercising their constitutional rights to free assembly and free speech. Most of those anti-ANTIFA protesters? We are there because of the violence and destruction caused by THE ANTIFA GROUP.

This is the point where I'm guessing most people get pretty pissed...and don't bother attempting to spend time unpacking this.

If you cared about "free speech" and "free assembly", you would be pissed to learn of the historical supremacy of the US stifling minority and political organizing violently. There wasn't free speech the day there was slavery. Throw that on top of the fact that anti-fa is a general mass of people who plan to stop fascism, then you are demonizing the very force engaging in a battle for free speech.

The counter protesters with the balls to stand up to you are defending ALL American's freedoms against a group of proud domestic terrorists.

The balls eh? If y'all really cared about freedom, you would join the oppressed around the world from the plight of the real terrorists. The entire history of the US is supporting fascists and engaging in terrorism.

This is what the ordinary American sees on TV.

I wouldn't trust the TV. At least you're coming out talking to us, albeit not in the most respectful manor...

We don't see working class heroes.

You should.

We don't see defenders of justice and liberty.

Damn those WWII vets sure got a lot of kudos for engaging in anti-fascist action, we get this... :(

We see pure hooligans.

:(

What makes you believe this is the right thing to do?

It's because we love the people that they hate. We care about the context of how we got here and the privileges that we have at the mass enslavement of many humans. You think we're bad? Who do you think we're attacking?

The way things are going, I can only see two outcomes. The violence escalating until you are officially labeled a domestic terrorist organization in all our states (and rightfully hunted down by the government), or people on both sides (as well as our police officers) start getting killed in some kind of urban war between violent commies and upstanding citizens. What is the plan then?

The way things are going? We've been bathed in violence since before we were born. I don't know if you noticed, but the police are basically prison guards, and we are the free range laborers. Imagine the prison as the forced labor internment camp for anyone labeled "criminal". If you're trying to fight a just war, you are fooled if you think the US is just.

start getting killed in some kind of urban war between violent commies and upstanding citizens. What is the plan then?

Whose communist? Anti-fa is not just communists...and if you think the people they target are "upstanding citizens", you may want to rethink who you respect. The plan is to stomp out fascism where ever it attempts to grow because fascism is really bad.

I'm not trying to attack anyone here. I just want to better understand what the prevailing ideology behind this is.

Oh, no attacks, just this:

The violence escalating until you are officially labeled a domestic terrorist organization in all our states (and rightfully hunted down by the government)

Feels pretty fuckin threatening if you put a death sentence on general organizing for anti-fascism...

Rather than go through lying MSM outlets, I'd rather ask at the source - what are your motives, what is your end goal, why do you hate America and our freedom?

This is one thing I like about you. The conflict will always be a water-color of reality in the mainstream outlets.

Motives: Love and courage

End goal: Stomp out fascism anywhere, any time.

Hate for america: Because we love freedom

Hate for freedom: It is you that hates the freedom of those oppressed by the ones being attacked by Antifa.

phew