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So whats your end game anyway?

Submitted by yeahIsupporttrump in Antifa (edited )

Trump supporter here. I created this account to try to understand what I view as the "other side" of the political argument. I made my name as such so there is no confusion about if im a concern troll or someone who wants to hear your arguments.

so yeah, hate on me if it makes you feel good- but im here to try to understand what specifically it is you want to accomplish.

so whats going on? whats the plan once the riots are ended?

EDIT: The only person to state what the end game was is to eliminate white people, and its being upvoted. this is the very thing (racism, hatred, discrimination) your side claims to be against. very interesting indeed.

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_______deleted__ wrote

White genocide, mainly.

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zombie_berkman wrote

Soro is paying me to make white Christan families do gay sex acts in front of their kids, and behead white business owners. We should team up

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yeahIsupporttrump wrote

sounds about right

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_______deleted__ wrote

I also dox bootlickers like you and ruin their lives for my own amusement.

This is my reddit profile: https://www.reddit.com/u/prince_kropotkin

feel free to say hi

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yeahIsupporttrump wrote

i would rather discuss here. from what im reading from you guys so far is that you have no plan. you just want to destroy what are objectively the greatest nations on the planet because of some illusion that rich people shouldnt exist

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_______deleted__ wrote (edited )

yeah that's about right, we want to destroy all the filthy greatness

and nothing can stop us

certainly not you waving your ticki torch around

fucking pathetic

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yeahIsupporttrump wrote

i hate to break it to you, but if you look at history you will find that the whites are the best at colonizing, invading, and occupying other areas of the planet.

piss us off if you want. we may represent only %8 of the worlds population which makes us a minority, and yet we dominate the barbarians time and time again.

go ahead, push us to the limit and watch history repeat. intelligence beats brute violence every time.

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_______deleted__ wrote

this is like teasing a 2 year old

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yeahIsupporttrump wrote

i know the sentiment. I also know that im in the so called "lions den" wherein i know im going to be attacked relentlessly by people who I know for a fact dont even know the definition of fascism or communism but put that word in their names anyway.

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Defasher wrote (edited )

You're really full of yourself if you think you have any kind of high ground here. How do these communists not know what a communist is?

Just stop embarrassing yourself and go back to whatever ruler loving circlejerk you came from.

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yeahIsupporttrump wrote

what im trying to do is get someone to explain intelligently what antifa is trying to do. clearly this entire site is a bubble for that, so it seems to be a good idea to venture into it to discuss.

instead all ive gotten are insults and the notion that white genocide is the goal.

this is a very informative event for me. you guys are living up to your stereotypes.

a man without an argument resorts to insult, afterall.

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_______deleted__ wrote

you come here calling non europeans 'barbarians' and expect fucking civility? too bad this isn't a real meeting place or I'd already have broken your legs.

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yeahIsupporttrump wrote

Im being told the goal is to eliminate whites.

how should one respond when being told not just him but his entire race being eliminated is the goal?

also, yes. its demonstrable that the middle east is a very inbred place and that inbreeding lowers IQ. couple that with having children like rabbits instead of trying to create a better culture and yes, barbarians is the right word here.

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Tequila_Wolf admin wrote

Alright everybody show's over for now, u/yeahIsupporttrump has gotten a global ban for racism.

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not_AFX_lol wrote

breaking our circlejerk >:(

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Tequila_Wolf wrote

Sorry :(

I was tempted to keep it open just for that purpose, but also that seemed obviously a bad idea.

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ziq wrote

No you did the right thing, he went over the ToS line big time. I banned him from this forum right before you performed the global ban.

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emma wrote (edited )

BORN TO DIE

WORLD IS A FUCK

鬼神 Kill Em All 1989

I am trash man

410,757,864,530 DEAD COPS

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DissidentRage wrote (edited )

i hate to break it to you, but if you look at history you will find that the whites are the best at colonizing, invading, and occupying other areas of the planet.

As someone whose lineage can be traced to some of the first European colonizers of the Americas, let me just clarify that this isn't a point of pride. Saying you're the best at genocide isn't a good bullet point on a résumé for a position of building functional societies.

go ahead, push us to the limit and watch history repeat. intelligence beats brute violence every time.

Aye. That's why white supremacy lost both the civil war and WW2. Your ideology hinges on ignorance, historical revisionism and malicious façades. That's why the Nazis burned books, constantly argue to deny the holocaust, and actively, explicitly and unironically order their underlings to knowingly misinform and deceive the uninitiated. Your ideology is an abysmal failure of a structure, built on a foundation of lies, that eventually breaks under its own weight and from the storm of discontent it creates in the outside world. A Tower of Babel built from both the hubris and hate of the worst of man.

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yeahIsupporttrump wrote

White supremacy didn't lose when its white vs white warfare, but if you want to go down that road consider the state of our world now that the "good guys" won.

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not_AFX_lol wrote

lmao this kid implying that the world would be better off if the nazis won

pack it up mates we've got a troll

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Tequila_Wolf wrote

Hi there!

You've done a vaguely bareable job of not being an explicitly racist asshole up until here. Please be sure to stop doing that, or we'll have to ban you, and all these users will no longer be able to make up random shit they think you're afraid of to poke at you for their amusement.

If you want to understand what anarchism is about aside from the nonsense you seem to believe, you can also feel free to look it up on wikipedia, or check out the anarchist FAQ, or feel free to try your luck in our wiki section above.

PS I'm not here to debate you about what's racist, so in case you were going to go there, feel free not to bother.

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yeahIsupporttrump wrote

hey no problems. ban me if you want, I expect no less.

my goal here is to understand what the goal of antia is - all ive gotten, and you can read for yourself, are insults.

if you feel im not being civilized here compared to your readers then please ban me from this group.

as I stated earlier to another person, everything im seeing so far is living up to the stereotype that what this place is is a place for people to destroy what they see as a problem but have no solutions for what to do after they destroy.

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not_AFX_lol wrote

all ive gotten are insults

i take offense to that i was trying to be civil up until you started calling people barbarians and suggesting that the nazis should have won wwii

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not_AFX_lol wrote

piss us off if you want. we may represent only %8 of the worlds population which makes us a minority, and yet we dominate the barbarians time and time again.

lol it's depressing that you think this is something to be proud of

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Copenhagen_Bram wrote

oshit they want to kill white people!!!11!!1

DEFEND THE WHITE RACE \(O<O)/

whiteness intensifies

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yeahIsupporttrump wrote

thank you for your honesty, and a good reason why I should resist. notice the dominant population of every successful nation and realize I will fight to protect it against the barbarians that you seem to represent.

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_______deleted__ wrote (edited )

yes us barbarians are going to marry all your women and make half barbarian babies. you can't stop it, it's too late. tick tock motherfucker

white race was just too weak

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yeahIsupporttrump wrote

weve seen it in europe and it continues.

im surprised at your honesty here - acknowledging that you are the problem.

Intelligent people tend to have fewer children. this explains the difference between islam and the west.

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not_AFX_lol wrote

Last I checked, access to contraception and affordable abortion was the big factor in fertility rates

im surprised at your honesty here - acknowledging that you are the problem.

Ahh, yes, because leftists who are doing their best to legitimately debate a conservative and suspected troll are going to just admit that their endgoal is not actually socialism or equality, but having interracial sex

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yeahIsupporttrump wrote

the problem we see is that you are confusing cultural blending with diversity.

without a shared history there is no culture.

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Defasher wrote

no culture

sounds a lot like whiteness

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yeahIsupporttrump wrote

oh? are you suggesting that america has no culture? one that has been exported to other nations because its so successful?

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ziq wrote (edited )

capitalism is devoid of culture

it's an empty abyss that sucks up everything in its path

destroys all culture and replaces it with fast food and iphones

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yeahIsupporttrump wrote

intelligence is a major factor in birth rates.

consider that the middle east is largely inbred. pakistan for instance is almost 70% inbred.

inbreeding lowers IQ, and makes people more likely to accept insane ideas like a violent religion.

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not_AFX_lol wrote

or the notion that billionaires are "men of the people", or that child molestors deserve to be senators, if what I hear about Alabama is true

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yeahIsupporttrump wrote

interesting about alabama - if you believe in the idea that a man is innocent until declared guilty by a court of law then consider the following:

  • other politicians have resigned without even going to court

  • but the alabama senator claims innocence all the way, and oddly enough the people who claimed against him disappeared after the election, after waiting literally decades to go after him when this moment appeared.

a man is innocent until proven guilty. you need to be consistant in your views if you make a claim like this.

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not_AFX_lol wrote

the people who claimed against him disappeared after the election, after waiting literally decades to go after him when this moment appeared.

That one is on the mainstream media

a man is innocent until proven guilty

so, uh, technically hitler and goebbels were never put on trial and proven guilty, does that mean they weren't guilty?

Of course not!

Do keep in mind that Roy Moore literally got banned from his local mall for his pedophiliac tendencies. The courts do not have the sole responsibility to determine guilt - they're human, after all. And you cannot force me to accept that I do not have the right to determine guilt on my own, with my own evidence.

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_______deleted__ wrote (edited )

I don't see natural selection as a problem.

sucks for you tho

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jorgesumle wrote

Trump supporter here. I created this account to try to understand what I view as the "other side" of the political argument. I made my name as such so there is no confusion about if im a concern troll or someone who wants to hear your arguments.

Hey, nice to meet you. First of all there is not only one "other side", there are multiple sides. If you are trying to understand anti-fascism, check out the sidebar of this forum. Basically, we're against fascism. But we're many different people with different ideologies: radical democrats, anarchists, communists.

so yeah, hate on me if it makes you feel good- but im here to try to understand what specifically it is you want to accomplish.

As the name says, anti-fascism is against fascism. We want to destroy the fascist movement. Personally, I don't care that some person thinks as a fascist, as long as, they doesn't try to organize, discriminate, attack people, etc. After all, I'm not against freedom of expression. However, I'm against actions that try to end with freedom of expression.

so whats going on? whats the plan once the riots are ended?

That depends on who you ask. I'm an anarchist, so we will create an egalitarian society without oppression and hierarchy. Animal liberation is also important for me.

We don't have a leader nor a messiah who we follow to death. Most of us are oppressed by the capitalists, patriarchy, etc. Trump is a white and rich retarded puppet, who was put there by the oligarchy. And we, anarchists, don't like leaders. We want to decide our own future, we don't want owners of the land, and slave wages.

you just want to destroy what are objectively the greatest nations on the planet because of some illusion that rich people shouldnt exist

There are rich people, because there are poor people. There is not any single poor animal, or rich animal in the animal world. Money is a delusion, such as nations. What is a nation? A border, a flag, a piece of land? Clearly, you don't understand many concepts, and our goal is not to destroy rich people, is to destroy the oppression that makes some people rich, and lots of people poor. Define "objectively great nation" if you can? Spoiler alert, objectivity in politics doesn't exist...

the whites are the best at colonizing

Define "the whites", please. Is that even a good thing? Is the extinction of their own habitat an intelligent act. Well, yes if your goal is to destroy your home (The Earth), while being unhappy at the same time. See how many depressed people are in your great nations, "objectively" said by your mostly "white" scientists.

the notion that a rich man got that way because he violently stole from others is absurd in a modern western civilization.

Quite the opposite... What does make some people rich and other people poor?


Nice attempt to recruit white anti-fascists, fascist. Is that what your leaders commanded you to do?

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seitanicqueer98 wrote

i agree with what you said, my only thing is that maybe you should use a different word instead of "retarded"

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Defasher wrote (edited )

MANUAL QUEER FRUGAL ANARCHO-PRIMITIVISM

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Tequila_Wolf wrote

Personally I really enjoyed the turn this took!

(Though I'm not for anarcho-primitivism)

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Defasher wrote (edited )

space is for the billionaire class, mate. You and me are staying right here, whether we like it or not.

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DissidentRage wrote

AUTOMATED

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not_AFX_lol wrote

LUXURY

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anarkiddomedia wrote

The same goal as its been since Nazi Germany; eliminate fascism by a diverse set of tactics. If you have been paying attention to how America has operated as a government in the past 70 years, you'd know how ingrained suppression of marginalized people and political dissent is in this county.

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Fossidarity wrote

I think this video from the Philosophy Tube covers it quite well: https://youtu.be/bgwS_FMZ3nQ

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yeahIsupporttrump wrote

im watching it now - its interesting how its taking the tac of the "anon" in which there is no official membership and you know in your heart if you are or if you are not.

im curious to see if he explains what the definition of "fascism" is

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yeahIsupporttrump wrote

I hate to be a child of the internet, but do you have anything that isnt an hour long, or perhaps you can point out specific times in this video i should focus on?

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zombie_berkman wrote

People just show up and do afa. Not all Afa is the same. There is not lexical group. Its like being a sports fan. You dont have an offical Yankees fan club

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yeahIsupporttrump wrote

so basically what you are saying is that its basically disorganized rioting with no particular direction?

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zombie_berkman wrote (edited )

I never said that. Its actually the direct opposite of what you said. But next time troll harder

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yeahIsupporttrump wrote

perhaps you can clarify then? Ive already said that im coming from the other side. you cant expect me to just jump in the first 10 minutes.

im noticing downvotes. it means nothing of course but i find it interesting. im trying to be open here. maybe this place is meant to be a bubble?

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zombie_berkman wrote

No you arent and those were from me. You are intentionally being disingenuous and its painfully obvious with your reply to me and your refusal to watch a video even tho you really want to learn no im super cereal guyz. Im not wasting any more time and will leave with no teeth for fascists.

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yeahIsupporttrump wrote

Ive been honest from the start. im a trump supporter, and a conservative after spending years as a leftist. I quit your side long before you went radical, so im trying to understand the direction you are now taking.

downvote me if it makes you feel better. internet points are meaningless when reality calls the shots.

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not_AFX_lol wrote

When you say 'leftist', do you mean 'liberal'?

We make a firm distinction between the two in these parts.

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_______deleted__ wrote (edited )

points are only meaningless to us anarchists. you people love your rigid hierarchies.

daddy won't save you, son.

America's debt is past due.

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not_AFX_lol wrote

This place was generally intended to be for leftists, generally libertarian leftists to discuss things. Almost all of our visitors from the right wing tend to be trolls, hence the suspicion from our community.

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yeahIsupporttrump wrote

I totally understand and its why I picked the name I did. I want there to be no illusion that im here to try to learn from you and challenge at the same time.

if this place is meant to be a bubble then so be it, but the internet is the one place left for plebs like us to discuss our ideas and try to figure everything out. lets take advantage of it!

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not_AFX_lol wrote

Antifascist action is decentralized, which isn't quite the same as disorganized. Think of it like the Tea Party or the Occupy movements in the US - there really isn't anyone leading the movement as a whole, but there are smaller, more localized or regional groups acting towards similar goals without a centralized heirarchy to formally collect them into a single body.

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yeahIsupporttrump wrote

ahh ok. so in a sense its like the militia groups in america? they all kinda want the same thing (whatever that is) but dont communicate with each other at all?

its a good defensive measure ill admit - its very hard for an opposition to deal with a decentralized group

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not_AFX_lol wrote

I suppose your comparison makes a bit of sense, although comparing antifascists to right-wing militia is a really good way to get both of them pissed.

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zombie_berkman wrote

The tea party was bankrolled and backed by the koch brothers. Stoo wastibg your time and don't give this troll the time of day

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yeahIsupporttrump wrote

ive been as open as I can about who I am and why im here. im sorry that you still think im a troll despite this.

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_______deleted__ wrote (edited )

If you support a senile billionaire's right to steal your children's future away then you have to be either

  1. a billionaire trolling

  2. stupid

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yeahIsupporttrump wrote

the notion that a rich man got that way because he violently stole from others is absurd in a modern western civilization.

no one forced you to buy that Iphone in your pocket. you helped create this problem too, and i admit its a hell of a problem.

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mofongo wrote

If you wish to understand something, need to put in effort and time in reading The relevant literature instead of demanding a spoon-fed version of things. Follow your white idols and read. I recommend starting with capital: a critique of political economy by Karl Marx.

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yeahIsupporttrump wrote

sorry to keep replying, but this is fascinating to watch. i have a core problem however -

hitler was a socialist. it was Mussolini that was a fascist. and fascism has nothing to do with "pro-toxic masculinity" as per 10:27 of the video or any other of those points.

fascism is the political viewpoint that the nation is like that of a body - and the people are individual cells. if a cell is doing good for the body then it is preserved; if not then it is removed. it is a harsh viewpoint and one that requires the marriage of government to the captains of industry in order to accomplish.

it has nothing to do with pro-toxic masculinity, whatever that is. im still watching. sorry if im annoying you with the feedback

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jadedctrl wrote

hitler was a socialist.

The definition of socialism:

social ownership and democratic control of the means of production

Emphasized the relevant bits. Hitler's brand of fascism literally didn't meet any qualifier there!

social ownership

Capitalists still owned private property, although they were in almost all cases directly controlled or influenced by the state-- but the point is that private property and the social relations that come with it remained in tact. Under socialism, private property and it's related social relations would be abolished. If anything, you could claim that Nazi Germany operated under a form of State Capitalism.

democratic

Nazi Germany + democracy

lol nope

democratic control of the means of production

The means of production/capital (like a factory) were still controlled by the capitalists-- and through them, the state. There was no democracy, no worker control of capital. Again, social relations were the same.

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_______deleted__ wrote

Hi, I'm a dragonfly.

hitler was a socialist

Hitler wasn't a socialist any more than I'm a dragonfly.

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yeahIsupporttrump wrote

if im not mistaken, it was under hitler that the following happened:

  • the creation of the peoples car, or volkswagon, as a cheap means of transport for the german people

  • the creation of the autobahn, a massive social labour project that helped the economy

  • the creation of the very first animal abuse laws. hitler was a massive animal rights advocate.

im NOT trying to defend hitler here, im simply pointing out that hitler was indeed a socialist by actual definition, and re-writing history because it doesnt fit the current worldview you might hold doesnt change that.

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not_AFX_lol wrote

Eisenhower built the interstate system. Doesn't make him socialist.

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yeahIsupporttrump wrote

no but it was a socialist act. a common act of government to bring the economy up is to massively spend on infrastructure. its what hitler did too in an effort to bring his own economy up. this does not change the fact that the act was socialist in nature, and that hiter identified himself as a socialst and did other socialist things (he was the first to create anti-animal cruelty laws on the planet which is a good thing) so we have to accept him at his word when he both acts and says he is a socialist.

im sorry, but thats history for you. its a bitch. it doesnt mean you guys are wrong, it means that we need to be accurate about history in order to create proper arguments about the present.

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Defasher wrote

Hey fashface - I'm not a socialist. But in order for me to not be a socialist, I actually learned what socialism means. You should do that too before you start telling a bunch of socialists what socialism is.

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not_AFX_lol wrote

I understand what you're saying, but "the government does stuff" just isn't socialism. And calling yourself a socialist doesn't really mean anything. The Democrats aren't in favor of a democracy, they're in favor of a republic. It's branding, nothing more. Calling yourself socialist in an era where capitalism is at its worst failure in modern history is sensible branding, but it doesn't mean you're actually a socialist.

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not_AFX_lol wrote

Hitler and Mussolini were both authoritarian leaders who sought to create a state that, with corporate assistance, would be capable of dominating the people.

As for the notion of fascism relating to 'toxic masculinity': while traditional fascism (to the best of my knowledge) only goes as far as establishing and enforcing gender roles, most modern fascists are affiliated with alt-right beliefs, MRAs, and other ideologies that are misogynist and 'pro-toxic masculinity'.

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yeahIsupporttrump wrote

interesting. im curious, given the definition above, what is it about a person that lets you identify an individual as a fascist in the first place?

noting that it is only in the western world that women not only can vote but have the same opportunities as men (despite certain drawbacks which are too complex for this venue), how is it that this civilization more than others is misogynist?

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_______deleted__ wrote (edited )

Do exact definitions really matter?

If someone is a) far right authoritarian, b) a proudly bigoted white supremacist and c) a filthy rich corporatist - then who cares what label you put on them? They're straight up dangerous for anyone who isn't also a rich white bigot.

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yeahIsupporttrump wrote

it does, because logic like yours confuses the situation.

if the label doesnt matter than neither do words in general. I could call you a "quadrofugitarian" whatever that means and it would be an insult.

what is the point of that?

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_______deleted__ wrote (edited )

trump's biggest fan talking to us about logic. after a year of trump's rule.

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not_AFX_lol wrote

I don't think it's a matter of "western society is more misogynist than any other", but a recognition that while societies like, for example, Saudi Arabia (to whom the United States sells weapons and from whom oil is purchased) are far harsher on women's rights, that doesn't mean that Western society is perfect.

As for what defines a fascist - in the modern day there is generally a sense of authoritarian politics (ex. militarization of the police, intensification of surveillance programs), intense nationalism and corresponding xenophobia (ex. anti-immigrant, anti-Islam, or anti-Semitic rhetoric or policy), anti-feminist and anti-LGBT views, etc. To some extent fascism can be correlated and overlapped with right-wing authoritarianism.

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zorblax wrote

you know that fascism thing? You know that thing that people frequently slide into without knowing it because they're blinded by the ideology?

We're against that.

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selver wrote (edited )

Antifa has one, and only one goal, stopping the growth of fascism.

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EAT_THE_RICH wrote

Trump supporter here. I created this account to try to understand what I view as the "other side" of the political argument. I made my name as such so there is no confusion about if im a concern troll or someone who wants to hear your arguments.

so yeah, hate on me if it makes you feel good- but im here to try to understand what specifically it is you want to accomplish.

so whats going on? whats the plan once the riots are ended?

EDIT: The only person to state what the end game was is to eliminate white people, and its being upvoted. this is the very thing (racism, hatred, discrimination) your side claims to be against. very interesting indeed.

Is this a pasta yet? This needs to be a pasta

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libre_dev wrote

The plan is to stop fascists from organizing, by whatever means is effective. Preferably without bloodshed

EDIT: The only person to state what the end game was is to eliminate white people, and its being upvoted. this is the very thing (racism, hatred, discrimination) your side claims to be against. very interesting indeed.

It's a joke dude. I thought you folks were all about the meems

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Whatsthepoint wrote

There is no "otherside"

The dualistic dichotomy has been created to cause apathy, infighting (against natural allies), and to prevent at all costs any meaningful and long lasting change.

It is a show, and better than any soap opera, this latest drama of our Zeitgeist is akin to a star trek holodeck, with ourselves taking then place of actors.

I have lurked here for a long time. I try to get views from many sources, as this is the way to beat them.

We have been tricked into focusing on our differences, as apposed to what we have in common....

Few people these days can simply agree to disagree on a specific point and still get along / debate. The "left" is just as guilty as the "right"

The creation of more and more identity groups, will only further this goal.

You have done a good thing tho. Find a view you disagree with everyday, and don't argue it, just try to understand it, where it's coming from... have empathy and love for your fellow man.

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zhopka wrote

This is the only sane comment I see here and it is downvoted. Well, this site is on one of the two "sides", hence the attitude. Gonna go look for some other community I guess.