Is fascism really such a threat nowadays that there needs to be an AntiFa group?

Submitted by OKC in AntiFascistAction

I've been lurking here for a little while. There is so much time spent talking about fascism here. It is bad sure, but is it an imminent threat? Isn't being in AntiFa just kind of posturing? Shouldn't you spend your time facing immediate threats such as the surveillance state and net neutrality instead of long defeated political movements?

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ziq wrote

Hmm.

Let's focus on North America since it's clearly the center of the world.

Imminent threat?

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ziq wrote

Credit goes to whoever originally compiled this list btw

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ziq wrote

And it's 6 months out of date..

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OKC OP wrote

To be fair, these are racist attacks but it isn't an organized fascist movement.

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retiredaccount wrote

Remember, fascism was first formed in 1919 but took power just years after; fascism strikes and forms quick. It can easily become a coup from disjointed attacks in only months.

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OKC OP wrote

So you are saying a fascist party will attempt a coup to overthrow the government. Is this really likely? The national guard alone would crush them.

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ziq wrote

Expecting the exact same conditions to exist and the exact same events to unfold and the exact same version of fascism to manifest is silly. Politics adapt.

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OKC OP wrote

You can't call it fascism if it's not the same as fascism.

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retiredaccount wrote

I'm not saying its very likely, but that fascism should be put down before such a thing could be considered possible. I suppose you'd think the Italian military would be able to put down a few civilian partisans as well, no? Especially since that military had just been on the winning side of the biggest war the world had seen at the time.

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OKC OP wrote

I don't think you can compare Italy back then to America now. The Italian government wouldn't stand a chance up against our modern armory.

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retiredaccount wrote

You can compare it to any unstable government; maybe not now, but maybe in five years the economy crashes and its fertile land for a proper coup.

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OKC OP wrote

Our military is not dependent on the economy... Even during the great depression, the military grew bigger than ever.

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retiredaccount wrote

The Italian military was still big at the time. Its not about the military, its about the success of the coup. Also, if you really wanna bring up the Great Depression, the Business Plot was planned.

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geegaw wrote

What makes you think antifastists are not also involved in other political action? Like, the surveillance state has gotten especially bad the last ten years. All manner of authoritarians are just dying for yet another excuse to expand it. Those in my country who spoke out cirka 2008 will unfortunately be handing out lots of I-told-you-so's pretty soon.

The reason fascism might seem like less of a threat is precisely because people are engaged in antifascist action. The effectiveness of nipping that shit in the bud is evident in how for example the alt-right is currently falling apart.

I might just ask you the same: what are you doing to address the rise of the surveillance state? Or the cable-TV-fication of the Internet?

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OKC OP wrote

Right now I'm spreading awareness on this site.

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geegaw wrote

In that case you're preaching to the choir. I doubt you'll find anyone on here in favor of state surveillance (it's always used to repress leftists) or not in favor of net neutrality (the repeal thereof being an obvious greedy cash grab)

Actually, while I have you on the line so to say, do give /f/freeasinfreedom and /f/privacy a look

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