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LostYonder wrote

The question needs to be reframed - would there be "minorities" without a state?

  • The modern liberal state is predicated on capitalist hierarchies of inequality that identify some as inherently not worthy of being part of the majority;
  • As such, it creates modes of competition and conflict between communities;
  • The liberal state defines and institutionalizes differences as a means of regulating and policing populations (it is much more efficient for the state to define blacks as having a tendency towards criminality and thus police and oppress all blacks, etc.)
  • The liberal state institutionalizes identity as a marker of belonging, inclusion and exclusion, etc.

Without the liberal state difference would not be institutionalized as a threat or a means of defining who gets to participate fully in the community.

Thus, it is only when we start thinking outside the box/cage of the state can minorities in the existing state-system be protected. The question remains though, how to educate those who are deeply embedded in the state-system of hierarchies and identities of difference to start to see the Other as a fellow human and not a threat...

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PerfectSociety wrote

Thus, it is only when we start thinking outside the box/cage of the state can minorities in the existing state-system be protected. The question remains though, how to educate those who are deeply embedded in the state-system of hierarchies and identities of difference to start to see the Other as a fellow human and not a threat...

I agree, and would add that it's also pressing to build counter-power networks that help minorities protect themselves against oppressive institutions like the police. The Black Panthers, though not Anarchists, did a good job of this while they were around.

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LostYonder wrote

It's a tough question actually. While one would like to think that people have the capacity to ultimately see one another as human beings, most of us are too corrupted/blinded by your ideologies of identities, differences, and individuated senses of security and well being.

On one hand social media has been a powerful tool of documenting and calling out those who do abuse. But the state is deeply entrenched in protecting its own, that even documenting murder by cops goes unpunished.

Does a threatening counter presence, such as the Black Panthers, have the impact needed? But they would never be able to protect all minorities in all different situations.

Maybe one could develop an app, like a kind of panic button, that would go out to everyone in the area who could rush to a scene when something starts to unfold...

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PerfectSociety wrote

But they would never be able to protect all minorities in all different situations.

  1. You're asking for the impossible. There will never be a way to protect all people in all different situations.

  2. I'm not suggesting that a singular movement would be able to protect "all minorities in all different situations." I'm suggesting that wide variety of counter-power networks, each with different features most appropriate for its constituents, would do a better job than State alternatives.

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noordinaryspider wrote

The problems with trying to encourage any minority to take the kind of risks the Panthers did are discussed by Illich and Freire, IIRC.

Here, let me steal those for you:

Here's Illich for normal circumstances:

http://b-ok.xyz/book/896640/e88b45

Here's Illich disguised as a silly-billy bromance for your Bezosville Swindle if you are currently surviving under hostile circumstances:

http://b-ok.xyz/book/896640/e88b45

Here's Freire--oh cool, this .pdf is the 30th anniversary edition, just like my oldest kid's last birthday card:

http://b-ok.xyz/book/2472571/1b3c4f

And here's Freire disguised as a piece of trash a mentally ill homeless must have dug out of the trashcan in the statistically insignificant possibility that this is a safer format for you to read:

https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?cm_sp=SearchF--topnav--Results&ds=20&kn=Pedagogy+of+the+oppressed&sts=t

hth and, as always, just ignore and scroll past if it doesn't.

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noordinaryspider wrote (edited )

Me.

This bullet costs too much money to waste on my own life, but if you f*ck with one of my kids, you're dead.

That trans girl just explained herself to me. I thought she was a man in a dress, but now that I know she's one of my kids, you. have. to. leave. her. alone.

Does this make any sense to you?

No?

That's okay. I'm a little strange. Lots of people don't understand me, but I'm sure a butch friend will be along to translate into your language shortly.

Of course we don't live in that kind of a world, so we do the best we can with the tools we have available for us and we aren't perfect.

My ten year old describes it as taking someone else's shit sandwich and turning it into a nice, warm, pretty "Potty Pie": You still have to eat shit and die, but at least you know someone understands that it sucks and thinks that you're worth the trouble of trying to make it a little bit easier to stomach.