icypaper OP wrote (edited )
Reply to comment by Bezotcovschina in Difference between rise of capitalism and rise of communism? by icypaper
Would you not agree that the more developed capitalist nations take control of the underdeveloped ones through control of their infrastructure? This has been pretty part and parcel throughout capitalist history, and I don't think it is eurocentric to acknowledge that. Please explain your understanding further.
Bezotcovschina wrote (edited )
Eurocentric is making theories about past, present and future socio-economic changes based on solely on european history. I don't disagree that dominative capitalist countries seek and do control of "less developed" nations, just pointed out that marxist theory fails in its view on formations changes from the point of, for example, indigenous Australian
icypaper OP wrote
While yes, that is true, that same European capitalism is the one that eventually used colonialism to make its system global, and for that reason I feel that the focus you call "Eurocentric" is justified, since that is the system we are currently trying to defeat.
fortmis wrote
Justified or not justified, it's extremely shortsighted.
icypaper OP wrote (edited )
When you say "shortsighted," what do you intend to do with the analysis of these indigenous societies?
fortmis wrote
Live in a reality where that perspective is recognized, for starters.
icypaper OP wrote
Yes, but how would this analysis in particular give insight on how to defeat capitalism, the system that did its best to exterminate other forms of economy?
fortmis wrote
That's the wrong question. It's my reality, therefore it is inherently part of my analysis.
Your questions are honestly coming across very close minded
icypaper OP wrote
After re-reading, I think I understand. Are you saying that you personally are of Indigenous descent and for that reason don't feel like Marxism applies to you?
fortmis wrote
No I'm not. Marxism doesn't apply to me because I don't agree with Marx. And eurocentricism is an archaic framework that poses a serious limitation to anyone who adheres to it. I'm not denying the relevancy of Western influence all over the world. I'm saying why would anyone stop there?
Don't worry, you haven't insulted me. I'm not guiding the conversation anywhere in particular... except away from eurocentricism I guess.
icypaper OP wrote
I will agree that some of the analysis of Marx and Engels show symptoms of Eurocentrism(particularly in Engel's Origin of the Family and his conclusions on the indigenous people mentioned there).
icypaper OP wrote
I admit ignorance as to where you are guiding this conversation, and apologize for any potential insult I made due to that.
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