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Noir_ wrote

I'm vaguely familiar with him but haven't read much. I find it easier to focus on back and forths online (such as this) rather than reading novel-length material. I'm curious what your opinion on such a societal structure is?

I am definitely a subscriber to the view that "objective" anything doesn't exist, so long as whoever is using the term is not the god of our dimension. That's one reason why I'm anarchist in the first place, I believe. I do still think that there are actions that any society, including non-human societies will deem degenerate or unfavourable. Certain actions like those that do not benefit the subject, and only harm a number of people in a given society. Actions usually covered in "disorders", I think though they can occur naturally, not all that is natural is wholly good for the environment nor those using it.

Do you follow me?

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Gwen_Isilith wrote

I understand, personally I am someone who is disordered so I would always be opposed to any sort of social structure which is against the disordered. In this way I am against any sort of societal structure. But truly that is very abstract as we find ourselves within a society and so my opinion on such societal structures is that one should disregard them and act disordered if one wishes, and that I try and refrain from judging any actions outside of their relation to me except in relation to currently existing systems which make themselves universal (but I admit this may be contradictictory).

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Noir_ wrote

Contradictory or not, that makes sense to me as well. I'm also significantly impacted by mental impairment (so they say) so I identify with the rejection of societal structures. Your ideal sounds a lot like mine whenever I return to a spiritual mindset; there I'm always amused by that concept of theoretically inaccessible ideas of what could be, that we just cannot visualize because of the limitations of our living position.

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Gwen_Isilith wrote

I think with your last sentence this is something I'm not interested in. Im much less interested in an ideal anarchy where one can be disordered without systems, and am much more interested in how one can exist disordered today.

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Noir_ wrote

Well, I wasn't necessarily talking about ideal scenarios. I don't think anything will ever be ideal for everyone, all the time. Moreso just better than this structure, and I think only Energy can contrive of every possible scenario. I struggle to communicate exactly what I mean.

I do appreciate how you see things. I still harbour a lot of pessimism about it that I'm sure is a result of many experiences of mine. But I know it's possible, however probable.

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Gwen_Isilith wrote

I guess what I'm trying to communicate to you is Pessimism, namely nohkism but the two are conflated. Nothing is possible except what we do today. I forget if it was this thread or another where I mentioned the writings on how the future is Fascist. And so that's what I mean by ideal- anything outside of our current experience.

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