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Crown_of_Ice wrote

The idea that death is the worst of all outcomes in political struggle is not some kind of universal truth.

I think this is very important. In death, Aaron's fight against colonial oppression does not end. He keeps on fighting in every person inspired by his actions. End of life is not an end period. They continue to struggle and to say that they don't or that living praxis is more is dishonor to Aaron and what he wants to accomplish.

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tinka wrote (edited )

The idea that death is the worst of all outcomes in political struggle is not some kind of universal truth. The exact opposite logic--the embrace of death--has been at the heart of anti-colonial struggle all over the world.

It's about time crimethinc's liberal universalist assumptions get called out.

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RollyMcPolly wrote (edited )

The way they used the "worst of all possible certainties" quote is taken out of context here. Crimethinc put this quote in the context of the various outcomes of political action and the potential consequences of risks taken. In this case, death being "worst of all possible certainties":

And here, we are not speaking about a risk, but about the worst of all certainties.

^That is the full sentence, and it stands alone as its own paragraph.

The way the article frames the quote just feels like they are reaching. Doesn't say much for the article at large if this is what sums it up.

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RanDomino wrote

By implying that Aaron’s choice was too extreme

Nice use of the word "implying" because that's clearly not what CrimethInc. is saying. They're saying it was unstrategic.

Those golden letters of history will not record the name CrimethInc., whose version of anarchism cannot hold, comprehend, or move with the young militants taking increasingly bold and dire action

CrimethInc. is literally the reason there is an Anarchist milieu in North America.

For the Outlet, the death of this world conjures the existential anxiety of dissociation.

Stupid drivel written by an idiot.

the hegemony of the anarchist talking heads

Oh my god fucking get over yourself. You are posting on the internet to whine about other people posting on the internet.

His death is already drawing unprecedented attention, at new levels, to the cause of Palestinian liberation, and likely to anarchism as well. Those who cannot adapt to the changing tides will be washed into historic oblivion, toward which they’re already careening. The rest of us must act within the unsayable. Deeds must speak where words fail.

lol

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ruminator wrote (edited )

It's not so much that CT does not take an ostensibly pro-palestinian position. It's the nature of that support, its contingencies and limits, that are being both felt and questioned by some, including the authors of this piece. I would also say that these contingencies do invite us to consider if what is being packaged as "pro-palestinian support" is in actuality "pro-palestinian" and/or "support."

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nihilistique wrote

To be fair, I have seen some people saying it would be better if Bushnell joined in militant struggle against Empire from people who I think are Palestinian elsewhere online. I don't personally have a problem with how he resisted, personally, people resist how they can with how they empower themselves. I personally hate that people go after him for being active-duty and act like that invalidates his form of resistance. You also get tankies who try to make him a Martyr in the vein of Lenin or something.

There are a lot of weird takes on the discourse with what he did though. At the end of the day I feel like it is best to keep it simple as another form of resistance.

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nihilistique wrote

I think I get what you are trying to say now. Idk how Crimethinc. works, from my understanding it isn't really an organization or anything, so there may be inconsistencies in what is posted, though I could be wrong.

I thought Crimethinc. posted pro-Palestine stuff though, I may have to look into it more.

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ruminator wrote (edited )

I thought about it more, and think it might be important to note that in some non-western traditions, for example buddhism, self-immolation is = self-negation. While it's hard to say if that is what the article is trying to leave open --- or if this frame (which is often tied to the concept of enlightenment in buddhism) can convincingly be mapped onto Aaron Bushnell--it's also nice that it does not foreclose such a reading.

The more I think about it, the more I like the many openings this piece offers against singular readings.

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miserableartist wrote (edited )

Azov Battalion is treated like this bogeyman in the same way Hamas is. It doesn't take anything away from the overall struggle.

that part

though, I think the author is talking about crimethinc openly supporting militarism and then shying away from one suicide as protest because suicide bad

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yaspora wrote

If you support some indigenous, anti-imperialist, or anti-colonial struggles over others, the former support doesn't make you less of an enforcer of settler-colonial bullshit, it makes you an opportunist.

I believe the piece is pointing exactly to CrimethInc.'s inconsistency on this issue. They defend the Ukrainian right to resist no matter how terrible some of those Ukrainians' politics are, but don't do the same for Palestinians—or even those acting in solidarity with them, like Bushnell. If allying with fascists & the state is commendable anti-imperialism, why isn't an act that [deliberately] harms no one besides the actor?

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nihilistique wrote

I am always suspicious of this shit. If you support some indigenous, anti-imperialist, or anti-colonial struggles over others, the former support doesn't make you less of an enforcer of settler-colonial bullshit, it makes you an opportunist.

During the expansion of the US, some indigenous peoples here ended up siding with the US due to prior conflicts with other indigenous peoples. That doesn't mean their struggle is less or more valid than others, it is a broad struggle. It is something to learn from, not reinforce.

Yeah, Nazis are bad, obviously. But the Azov Battalion is treated like this bogeyman in the same way Hamas is. It doesn't take anything away from the overall struggle.

Not saying they are necessarily the same ideologically, but the same logic for bringing them up is there.

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