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keerin wrote

An interesting read but ultimately a futile post. Trying to convince adherents of a political ideology which holds the abolition of the state as a goal that a communist state is better is like trying to convince a diabetic that this low fat chocolate will be fine to try. It might be a bit better in general, but they still can't stomach it!

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hoopsho OP wrote

I know comrade, trying to talk reason to these children is an embarrassing chore.

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keerin wrote

I'm not sure that a socialist state would necessarily be better than our current "representative" democracy, personally. The power dynamic is still there.

In collectivist anarchism, I like the slow but methodical approach of education and eventual shift to worker-owned businesses in order to seize the means of production. I'm not so keen on what I've read so far about the proposed next steps, which always seem to end with a planned economy. But maybe I've read the wrong books.

Just as the various forms of socialism seeing a state by the people as a stepping stone, I see the Labour party in the UK as a potential way forward. Proposals include a 4 day work week, a much improved minimum wage, mandatory worker representation at board level for businesses of a certain size, tighter regulation of the finance sector and higher taxes on the rich. I'm of the opinion that any progress on these lines produces fertile soil for real revolutionary progress.

Or maybe proposals like these are just "morsels thrown to the poor to allow the powerful time to fetch the whip", as Kropotkin would put it.

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I'm still studying and learning so I can work out where I stand.

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