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ziq wrote

Anarchism that doesn't try to appropriate leftism or try to draw up authoritative blueprints for organizing a mass-society I guess.

But most people would say anarcho-communism because they wrongly and perversely think of anarchy as a European post-Enlightenment political ideology invented by Bakunin and Kropotkin when anarchy has existed for as long as Earth has had life on it.

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MarxWasTheMessiah wrote

yeah, but, like, without the left, anarchism is when a bunch of people get together and decide to abolish all forms of authority including my totally awesome worker-state that'll definitely wither away and bring forth a utopia where everyone has a nice house, a sports car, and unlimited resources. Of course, leftist anarchism is also just liberalism and even though we have the same goals despite Marxism not being liberalism in any way, shape, or form and that if they don't shape up and read Lenin, we'll have to kill them all. left unity, pls.

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MarxWasTheMessiah wrote

I see you're not like the rest of these CIA, liberal, tree fascist anarkiddies.

Do you have a few minutes to talk about the lord, Karl Marx?

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OdiousOutlaw wrote

Having seen every Chomsky video on YouTube, I can conclude that Splinglebot is a justified authority. I'd let them pull my kids away from traffic.

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santacrew wrote

I'm not sure we should be using terminology like 'orthodox', it has a negative connotation because of how regressive orthodox theology always is.

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ziq wrote (edited )

I'm from an Eastern Orthodox background and to me orthodox just means 'original, without revisionism'.

But what I'd consider original anarchy isn't anything written by 19th century european men, or anything written at all.

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An_Old_Big_Tree wrote

Here are some separate but kinda related points.

  1. Anarchism is fundamentally interested in a rejection of the form of doxa - external impositions of ideas. Our ideas are our own, or they are (to use Stirner's term) spooks, externalities governing us despite us.

  2. "Orthodox" implies a kind of primacy that goes hand in hand with authority and so should be of no real significance to anarchists.

  3. Historically, if there have been people trying to claim orthodoxy, it is red anarchists who tend towards preserving authority at some levels (even if just epistemological). This is clear in significant sectarian texts like Black Flame, and in the idea of lifestylism.

  4. Anarchism is a lived practice that will look different depending on the context, not a stagnant idea universally applied.

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rot wrote

thats a bad name. orthodox anarchism sounds like an oxymoron, I know what you mean but It's a meaningless term when there is no authority to determine orthodoxy.

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