redgreenexplosion OP wrote
Reply to comment by db0 in Anarchists always establish states: even Catalonia was a state by redgreenexplosion
tbf, their argument isn't that it's a contradiction, it's that authoritarianism is required to establish any form of communism, including anarchist forms. That Marxism and anarchism both require coercion and violent suppression to work.
db0 wrote
Their argument is not supported by what we know of this era, where catalonians overwhelmingly supported anarchist forms of organization without "state violence". The murder of hated counter-revolutionaries in the form of the Catholic church which has been oppressive as fuck is a response to the horror of war and past grievances, not a result of anarchism per se.
redgreenexplosion OP wrote
Would a modern anarchist revolution need to kill billionaires?
db0 wrote
Like, actively go and murder them? No.
redgreenexplosion OP wrote
Then what would stop them from forming armies to crush the revolution?
ziq wrote
when you pin all your hopes on 'revolution', don't be surprised when it turns you into the very thing you seeked to destroy. every revolution is a counter-revolution because every revolution is a quest for power and the only thing that can destroy power is another revolution for power.
RedOctopus wrote
This is fucking stupid circular logic. You think revolution is bad?? What kind of reactionary propaganda is this?
ziq wrote (edited )
I think revolution is a beautiful little lie people tell themselves so they can fall asleep with a smile on their face every night.
RedOctopus wrote
db0 wrote
To answer that question, you have to ask yourself: How would the revolution have started?
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