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db0 wrote (edited )

Oh no, economic problems in the midst of a civil war without any outside support and internal betrayal by "allies". It's definitelly caused by internal anarchist contradictions...

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redgreenexplosion OP wrote

tbf, their argument isn't that it's a contradiction, it's that authoritarianism is required to establish any form of communism, including anarchist forms. That Marxism and anarchism both require coercion and violent suppression to work.

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db0 wrote

Their argument is not supported by what we know of this era, where catalonians overwhelmingly supported anarchist forms of organization without "state violence". The murder of hated counter-revolutionaries in the form of the Catholic church which has been oppressive as fuck is a response to the horror of war and past grievances, not a result of anarchism per se.

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redgreenexplosion OP wrote

Would a modern anarchist revolution need to kill billionaires?

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db0 wrote

Like, actively go and murder them? No.

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redgreenexplosion OP wrote

Then what would stop them from forming armies to crush the revolution?

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ziq wrote

when you pin all your hopes on 'revolution', don't be surprised when it turns you into the very thing you seeked to destroy. every revolution is a counter-revolution because every revolution is a quest for power and the only thing that can destroy power is another revolution for power.

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RedOctopus wrote

This is fucking stupid circular logic. You think revolution is bad?? What kind of reactionary propaganda is this?

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ziq wrote (edited )

I think revolution is a beautiful little lie people tell themselves so they can fall asleep with a smile on their face every night.

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ziq wrote

China: No communism achieved.

Cuba: No communism achieved.

Russia: No communism achieved.

France: Monarchy replaced by oligarchy. Same shit, different dressing.

Mexico: Nope.

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db0 wrote

To answer that question, you have to ask yourself: How would the revolution have started?

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