Mutual Aid[deleted] 0 wrote (edited )
heckthepolice2 wrote
Reminds me of a (I think) Stirner quote. Can't remember the exact wording, but it's basically to the effect of "if you worry that without morality everyone would be an asshole, that says a lot more about you than it does about morality"
rational_ancap wrote (edited )
as an anarcho-capitalist (to the uneducated that means I am a bastion of facts, logic and reason), without morality I wouldn't be any different to how I am now. But the poors (disgusting) would! They might start trying to steal back the things I've stolen voluntarily acquired from them and I don't want that
edit: haha! my original comment said the poors might steal back the things I acquired, as if to imply I had originally stolen it from them! what an irrational thought. The free market™ disapproves.
mike425mobile wrote
Classic psychological projection. The favorite tool of establishment politics and rhetoric.
shanc wrote
I always see people say, 'but what stops someone from taking it all,' and I'm pretty sure they would take it all themselves. Every person I personally know who shills for capital always makes this argument and later go on about how anytime they see free stuff they take it all.
I honestly think this is mostly just people fronting/trying to be edgy on the internet. There are very few people who would actually drive a truck up to this pile, load it up with everyone watching, and drive off. Not saying there aren't a few people who would do that - maybe one in a thousand. That's why the other 999 need guns. Or at least clubs.
ziq OP wrote
We must know different people. People with a hoarder mentality will take everything that isn't nailed down.
shanc wrote
Do you think people like that are more than one in a thousand?
ziq OP wrote (edited )
Yes. It's typically people that have gone without and know hunger.
It's taken me a lot of work to get out of that hoarder mentality but I still wolf my food down as fast as possible because I remember what it's like to be hungry. My parents could only really feed us during the tourist season, and in the winter there was no work so food was scarce.
Things are a lot easier in my country today because there are food banks, and bargain supermarkets that sell cheap food, but in the 80s and 90s things were much harder. There was only one supermarket in the nearest village and the prices were much higher because there was no competition. The longer winter went on, the less money there was to buy food and we'd all be hanging on by a thread waiting for the tourists to come back so we could make more money. We also couldn't pay our rent all winter and were constantly under threat of eviction. I would steal potatoes from the fields but if I got caught I would get beat up.
People that have struggled with poverty in life know their next meal might never come, so grabbing everything in sight is just a form of survival.
shanc wrote
Yes I thought that would be the case. I live further north where people are much more likely to think 'I can't be bothered taking this food'. My partner is from further south and she agrees it's more like 1 in 2 or 3 people who would take more than they needed, especially older people. That said, and somewhat ironically, she thinks people from where she is from would be more likely to share their excess, whereas here people just throw what they don't need in the trash.
ziq OP wrote
all this is gonna change as collapse spreads. even people in the north are going to know hunger. already all over the global south, people are in permanent survival mode and are dying in dilapidated boats to try and move north to escape hunger.
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