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ikiaq wrote

yo, this is my post. thanks for the support on here. dealing with those settlers is exhausting shit — when i had the one dude accuse me of not really being Inuit and mocking me for my age i just said fuck it. i’ve got autism and my brain only lets me go so far with that shit. i probably could’ve put up some better arguments against them but ultimately it was a little damn difficult when every time i refreshed my front page i had 2 new comments calling me an ableist forest TERF. calling it quits with that shit, keeping the post up, and hoping some of those assholes realize how white they’re being.

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ziq OP wrote

Anarcho-settlers have long plagued anarchist forums. We have a no tolerance policy here that's enacted by me trolling them until they leave.

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Bezotcovschina wrote

Could you describe in short, what you mean by "Anarcho-settlers"? This term is new to me. Basically "Anarcho-colonists"?

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ziq OP wrote (edited )

Someone that ignores that people in the global south suffer to create products for them to consume and dream of an "anarchist" society where they'll continue to have all the luxuries they have now only it'll somehow be "egalitarian". When you press them on it, they just answer with some utter nonsense that amounts to "they'll want to keep mining and manufacturing our toys because anarcho-communism is good", or "we'll let them keep some of the toys after they make them for us. Equality!".

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existential1 wrote

It's a lot of people who genuinely don't think about how manufactured and processed so much of their lives are. If indigenous people and people who preferred not to be in the labor system could do so without harm coming to them from the dominate class (settlers), the settlers would lose a lot of the basic priviledges they don't even know they have because someone or something else suffers.

It's wild that they don't see that, yet can spout off about all forms of other "power" theories.

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shanc wrote (edited )

But have you considered... ...

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...DIABETES

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existential1 wrote

Some people will use anything in an argument, even if it makes very little sense outside of the bubble they're occupying at the moment.

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black_fox wrote

i hate reddit anarchists so much

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ziq OP wrote

"By being Inuit you show you don't care about diabetics so you can go fuck urself ableist piece of shit!+"

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Dumai wrote

it occurs to me that when white people talk about primitivism we tend to get into the habit of reducing it to another hobbes vs rousseau debate

which means yeah, i agree, white anarchists of all stripes (primitivist or anti-primitivist) aren't good at debating primitivism without being racist

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ziq OP wrote (edited )

It seems to be primarily white vegans in that thread who are being racist.

Good thing I wasn't referring to their way of life 🤷🏽‍♀️? OP made a post about primitivism and feels strongly about it because of their realized genetics or something. I don't care. My issue is with their argument for harming others based on it being "cultural". Eating animals is an outdated cultural practice in any culture and claiming otherwise is not very anarchist of anyone.

And this one. (archive)

Any ideology that requires the consumption of animal products is an ideology that will get no support from me.

It sounds like you want the whole world to go "primitive" because your special culture that exists in a very niche climate feels they must continue to live this way.

It doesn't matter what someone's skin color is if they want to murder sentient creatures.

I believe people are murders when they kill other humans even if they have to kill them to survive and if my belief in equality makes me white I guess I'll be white now.

There's also some syndie jacking off to labor / production as usual:

https://old.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/cjqbeh/something_thats_been_bothering_me_about_the/evg2gei/

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shanc wrote

syndie jacking off to labor / production as usual

I think you underestimate how awesome life will be when we get our monthly paycheck in labour vouchers instead of dollars.

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ziq OP wrote

I kno I'm gonna spend my labor vouchers on developing a cure for settleritis.

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shanc wrote

Unfortunately for you your labour voucher monthly total is exactly the same amount as your rent to the Bottom Up Housing Co-op & your grocery bill to the Worker Ran Produce Co-op. Should've put in some overtime.

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heckthepolice2 wrote

Fun fact: Fredy Perlman had (and ultimately died from) a congenital heart condition. In fact, his experience with the medical establishment was a big part of what inspired his anticiv thought in the first place. That's anecdotal, obviously, but I think it's kind of telling about the whole "anticiv is inherently ableist" line of thinking

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ziq OP wrote (edited )

Lol @ the edit:

edit: congrats! you have all managed to do the exact thing i literally just pointed out to be colonizer behavior! from dogpiling me and still calling me a TERF who wants to take away HRT to accusing me of being someone who just took an ancestry.com test — you’ve proved how much of a settler you are! are you happy? i’m done responding. no anprim owes you shit in that realm.

"Anarchists" are so reactionary.

I posted my indigenous anarchy piece thinking they'd be more open to it after that post from an indigenous anarchist, but nope:

https://old.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/cjw7bv/indigenous_anarchy_the_need_for_a_rejection_of/

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heckthepolice2 wrote

I really liked this exchange

Shhhhhh, everyone knows primitivism is about murdering anyone who knows how to read, not scaling productive forces to meet human needs! If that were the case, we'd have to engage with critiques instead of cracking jokes about Fight Club, and who the hell has time for that?

Alright, how do you solve the lack of medicine then?

Produce medicine.

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heckthepolice2 wrote

Reminds me of this quote from Armed Joy

The substitution of the work ethic with the aesthetic of joy would not mean an end to life as so many worried comrades would have it. To the question: ‘What will we eat?’ one could quite simply reply: ‘What we produce.’

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celebratedrecluse wrote

is the post still up on reddit?

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celebratedrecluse wrote

Thanks, I avoid visiting reddit to stop giving them ad money, but I was also curious if the archive link was to prevent reddit getting money or if it was removed from reddit

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ziq OP wrote

it's because mods will remove the racist comments once I bring attention to them

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shanc wrote

A few surprisingly good replies in there

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heckthepolice2 wrote

Cool, I'm on board with gender abolition. I'm not on board with using force of arms to deprive trans people of hormones.

Primitivism means going to trans people's houses and taking their hormones at gunpoint

(reposted cause it accidentally got deleted)

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