Submitted by AeroFalcon in Anarchism
AeroFalcon OP wrote (edited )
Reply to comment by ziq in Why not allow all kinds of communes? by AeroFalcon
I mean how can they invade our anarchist communes? They can come with guns, but we'll shoot 'em :D.
And how would capitalists maintain their power if they can't exploit people for their labor and land for its resources?
Unfortunately they may still continue to do it. In the same way that people in statist communes will still be taxed... But as long as there isn't physical assault taking place and they are happy to live there whatever?
rot wrote
when has a state not used violence on its populace? name one
AeroFalcon OP wrote
Corporations/companies, landlords, private cities/villages (rent)...etc
rot wrote
many companies have abused/beaten/killed their workers. dole? coke? foxcom? sweatshops around the world? any of this ring a bell?
AeroFalcon OP wrote
Yea, but there is at least one, who haven't abused people
ziq wrote
How can they exploit humans for their labor and land for its resources without abusing people?
AeroFalcon OP wrote
How can they exploit humans for their labor
Yea that's why capitalism is bad. Wage jobs r bullshit. Work or starve is bullshit. But what If some people like it? What If some people like this danger? Why are there so many pro-capitalist people in the world then?
You can't exploit land? I mean don't see anything wrong with using land, right? As long as you don't pollute...
Majrelende wrote (edited )
Why are there so many pro-capitalist people in the world then?
Propaganda— people are told that this is the best way to live, and for many, made to believe it despite what each of us experiences every day.
People are told they like capitalism, but that notion of “capitalism” is completely disconnected from their daily lives. You may hate your work, but work is necessary so that you can buy what you need. It is not capitalism’s fault you are at a job you hate— it is just your education. People may be poor, but this is a welfare problem, not a systemic one. In other words, we are told, “Don’t blame capitalism for anything. Blame yourself a or lack of regulations or bad luck or...”
The second paragraph was mostly paraphrasing ridiculous propaganda, not my own opinion.
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AeroFalcon OP wrote
Yea, go ask people If It's ok to steal from big corporations & they'll all say "no".
Nobody likes this
btw
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AeroFalcon OP wrote
Go ask 'em If It is immoral to smash stores, banks windows in a protest and they'll all say -> "No, they are thugs, It is immoral !"
Ask 'em If It is moral to loot, If u are sure to not be caught & they'll all tell u "no".
heckthepolice2 wrote
And which one would that be
rot wrote
and that would be....
I asked for states not companies but any co. that's been around long enough has abused it's workers.
AeroFalcon OP wrote
Companies/corporations are governments...
Zapatista is a government (that is abusing a bit their power with a drug war, for example), but they aren't that bad.
I mean ok actually there is no good government. But how can I know in the future?
ziq wrote
I"m really confused as to how that answers their question? Are you a voluntaryist or whatever you call yourselves nowadays?
AeroFalcon OP wrote
I'm an anarchist who supports decentralization and who'd like that people have more powers, less hierarchy, less violence. That's all !!
ziq wrote (edited )
You're an anarchist who thinks capitalism is voluntary.
AeroFalcon OP wrote
It is not voluntary If there aren't enough anarchist communes. Once there are enough I don't see any problem...
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AeroFalcon OP wrote
I mean If there are anarchist communes, why would you stay in capitalist communes If you hate them?
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Majrelende wrote
I am not sure if this is helpful.
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Majrelende wrote
Nowhere, but since you were taking part in the conversation, it seemed like you were trying to have your voice heard for some reason.
AeroFalcon OP wrote
I mean u don't support the choice to not be free, for people who want it?
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AeroFalcon OP wrote
I don't say bullshit I'm tired when different kinds of anarchist attack/hate each other when we r allies. It makes me sick when I see people hating (anarcho-) primitivism/transhumanism/communist...etc when we r allies. All fighting against the same ennemies
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AeroFalcon OP wrote
Not really they support hierarchy. But at the same time they said that they won't attack our anarchist communes, so...
ziq wrote
Is this a parody account?
ziq wrote
Authority is every anarchist's enemy. Capitalism is an authority.
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