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Silver_ OP wrote (edited )

2 things : You didn't inherit anything from your parents ? No land, nothing ? Me too, I had to leave early & besides a computer I didn't have anything. Fortunately, I will soon buy a real plot of lands & I'll be good :)

Here are some ways to earn money without wage labor :

Freelancing

Affiliate marketing

Selling goods/services

Being a middle-man

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bloodrose wrote

You didn't inherit anything from your parents ? No land, nothing ?

Just bad coping mechanisms.

Here are some ways to earn money without wage labor :

I didn't actually ask for a list of alternative ways to sell my labor. I asked how you eat and live without selling your labor. Clearly, you do sell your labor. My broader point was that prior to capitalism, food grew wild. One could go forage plants and fish and hunt for food. However, now you must pay someone to be allowed to eat. So you must earn a wage. You have no way out of earning a wage. Under voluntaryism, I don't see this as being any different. All of the things you mentioned require one to labor in ways that are not just picking an apple off of a tree. Therefore, not voluntary. Compulsary.

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Silver_ OP wrote

Your parents are "responsible" to give you a good "starter pack" imo. If they didn't give you land, the fault is on them.

Secondly, you can still forage plants/fish/hunt on public & private land (If you're invited), but I won't go into the details .

Yes, It's subpar compared to the hunter/gatherer days, but what r you expecting ? We're growing as a species...

& Without government you could own all the "public" land, that the government prevents you from owning, so yea this will be a lot different.

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bloodrose wrote

our parents are "responsible" to give you a good "starter pack" imo. If they didn't give you land, the fault is on them.

So what is my recourse?

Secondly, you can still forage plants/fish/hunt on public & private land (If you're invited), but I won't go into the details .

Not without paying. And that's my point. All land is fucking owned by someone. You must pay someone. Therefore, you must make a wage.

Yes, It's subpar compared to the hunter/gatherer days, but what r you expecting

To not have to pay for shit that grows free because someone decided they fucking owned it.

We're growing as a species...

You say growing, I say failing. Toh-may-to, Toh-mah-to.

Without government you could own all the "public" land, that the government prevents you from owning, so yea this will be a lot different.

You're extrapolating and making extra arguments to my initial question of how can you eat and have somewhere to live without a wage under a system that still has wages.

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shanc wrote

TIL freelancing isn't labouring for a wage.

What you're describing has nothing to do with abolishing hierarchies (anarchism). It is capitalism, nothing more, and calling it something else doesn't make it less hierarchical or less destructive.

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Silver_ OP wrote

TIL freelancing isn't labouring for a wage.

Well, both parties are a lot more accountable, very often It is short/medium term projects, so...

Either I'm a lucky bastard or smth, cuz I never had problems & everything worked as intended

What you're describing has nothing to do with abolishing hierarchies (anarchism). It is capitalism, nothing more, and calling it something else doesn't make it less hierarchical or less destructive.

You can abolish hierarchies in your ancom commune, but don't abolish it in other communes, who don't want it, Is it good ?

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shanc wrote

Either I'm a lucky bastard or smth

Ah the old "I'm alright Jack" argument. Not heard that one for a while. I'm sure the midwives in the favelas will sleep easier tonight knowing that capitalism is working great for at least one bootlicker person.

ancom

Nope. We're anarchists here, not communists. Anarchism is against hierarchy. The clue is in the title.

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