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ziq wrote (edited )

It's depressing that the cops / media are trying to paint them as a terrorist and making out like they were going to burn down the building the migrants were housed in when they were targeting empty vehicles and an outbuilding in the parking lot.

Edit: changed pronouns to them because of the name 'Ariel' used on the bandcamp site.

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ziq wrote

Cool. So Ariel is her daughter and her name is Emma.

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meo wrote

She deleted that tweet and put this up, not sure they were trans after all.

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meo wrote (edited )

oops, I should have looked through the whole thread before replying. my bad.

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rot wrote

i wish he had gone in with more help

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ziq wrote

They went there knowing it was their last day on Earth. Wouldn't have made sense to.

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chokingvictim wrote

She's a fucking legend.

On this topic, let's not forget this.

Fuck ICE.

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BrowseDuringClass1917 wrote

Sadly, this probably won’t inspire very many people. I mean, who remembers the dude that lit himself on fire to protest climate change? Not many.

We truly do live in a boring dystopia

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BrowseDuringClass1917 wrote

Yeah, you should be. Honestly, I’m only getting more and more confused as I read more theory and I organize more with other radicals around me. Guess that’s just how it be sometimes

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ziq wrote

Confused how?

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BrowseDuringClass1917 wrote

Just about the correct direction for anti-capitalism in general. I don’t know what to believe exactly, I don’t really have an overarching worldview beyond some very loose conception of libertarian marxism.

And organizing doesn’t really help at all with understandig when the only people doing anything around me are Trots or the DSA.

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BrowseDuringClass1917 wrote

Well yeah I understand, obviously I’m not sitting around, but having an actual ideology is useful and it seems most people on this website have one.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

It's really disheartening that these people on Reddit, instead of seeing someone who risked their life in order to draw attention and energy and inspiration to a moral cause of opposing ethnic cleansing by engaging in property destruction at a concentration camp, instead see someone who "endangered lives by engaging in individual violence". They didn't attack or hurt anyone, except themselves.

While I am depressed by their decision to end their own life, and I disagree with the specific tactics' efficacy, I honor them as a fucking hero. Because that's what they are, we live in a context where there isn't a better option than building your own AR and preparing up some molotovs and going for it all on your own. And that's something I'd like to change in my lifetime, but I understand and respect their decision in the context he was in.

REST IN POWER

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lori wrote

I mean, I just call myself an anarchist. I have post-leftist leans, but in the end - if you're there to shoot pigs and build mutual aid networks and/or other dual power structures, I'm happy. Ideology's a distraction from action.

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lori wrote (edited )

I disagree. Self-immolation is a rather common action; and more importantly isn't a call for action. Its ignored because its just suicide, not an action against, say, an oil well. He took concrete action against fascism, and calls for more action.

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BrowseDuringClass1917 wrote

Who’s she? You mean Will? Also, I understand how it’s different from self-immolation, but in reality the results will not be much different. The media will ignore as much of his message as they can and obscure what they can’t ignore, specifically to ensure that he doesn’t become a martyr.

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BrowseDuringClass1917 wrote

Ah, I understand. Didn’t know about their social media presence. This article refers to them with he/him pronouns.

I suppose you’re right about that, but I think that if a radical is not already acting they likely won’t act at all. The radicals I know are either protesting or too busy with jobs to do anything.

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BrowseDuringClass1917 wrote

Too late for what?

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anarchists_worldwide OP wrote (edited )

Will's friends are saying that Emma / Emmi was most likely just an alias that he used for online antifascist work.

https://twitter.com/EmmaAintDead/status/1150508208110391297

"As far as we (friends of the fallen) know, this isn't accurate. Emma was likely a nom de guerre for the purposes of antifascist work online. And while no shortage of love for us trans comrades was shown, he used exclusively male pronouns and hadn't hinted otherwise to any of us."

Also this: https://twitter.com/extantCMW/status/1150539612709765122

"So, what I've been told by comrades close to Will is that Emma is just an internet name, the "deadname" FB post is a tounge-in-cheek use of the term, and that the song "I was a girl" is about someone else. You have my sincere apologies for muddying the waters.

I'm told that he's an incredible and swell comrade to us trans folks and I respect the shit out of that. I want to honor his memory properly, and most important, I think, is that we realize how awful it is that property destruction in pursuit of justice was met with murder.

Please, once again, spread the word. Again, I'm real sorry. I want to trust those folks closest to Will. And as for the name Emma, that's his nom de guerre and I hope he wouldn't be too torn up about people using it! #WillemVanSpronsen #EmmaDurutti"


Recall also that in his last statement that he mailed to his comrades he referred to himself using male pronouns.

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