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dice wrote

If a person is incapable of being clear, then, they must not really know what it is that they are on about.

i've always disliked this statement. i value clarity and shared understanding too, but sometimes our environments shape the way we think, the way we understand certain words and concepts, etc. within any one language, there are multiple ways of concept building. e.g. people can understand a concept using academic language and then be confronted with the need to translate it into other words. just because they cannot do so quickly does not mean they are a fraud or whatever. (not to say that academic posturing doesn't exist, because it does obviously.) just... yeah. i guess it bugs me more as someone with social anxiety that uses more obscure words/concepts internally to understand things. i can't just rephrase things on the fly

bit of a tangent, but that's bugged me for a while

i pretty much agree with your take, OP. whether proselytizing should be a priority is another argument, though! renzo novatore comes to mind as someone who might find your post silly

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dice wrote

my face always gets real scrunchy. just can't help it

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dice wrote (edited )

yeah you're definitely not wrong in asserting "trying to convince people of something in a language they don't understand is not going to work." but yeah, more questions arise from there. should i be trying to convince people to do anarchy? if so, how? with words? action? prefiguration? if not, where is my energy better spent?

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dice wrote

dont skip over considering if proselytizing in any form is not worth your energy! desiring and seeking freedom does not necessarily entail spreading the good word

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dice wrote

you're in for a treat. check him out on the anarchist library. there's some good old discussion about his work here on raddle that i've stumbled across before... no time to search right now but shouldn't be hard to find with the blessed new search feature

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Tequila_Wolf wrote

A person has nothing to hide while advancing the cause of Anarchism.

Well, turns out a handful of anarchists are chilled with pedophilia, so I'm skeptical of that.

That aside, anarchists are killed and tortured for being anarchists often, so there is a lot of reason to be careful about how you present yourself.

It is best to be clear when making a political argument.

I think this is incredibly hard if your anarchism is based in a metaphysics of difference, or accounts for unconscious drives. Trying to make something clear without the prerequisite perspectival shift is tough, and in my experience, there's a huge perspectival shift that comes with anarchism. In the beginning (like many of us) I listened to people like Chomsky make clear kinds of arguments and say straightforward things. Understanding Deleuze took months and years of piecing things together because it is in a sense unclear.

Finally, a point on irony. There are good uses for irony; those statements that have an ostensible meaning but come with reason for you to not accept that meaning. Where this irony sets you in motion to seek out the 'real meaning' of the statement, you are given the opportunity to arrive at new information on your own, instead of simply being given the information, which you may not have been ready for that way.

And fiction, and literary/dramatic techniques in general. They are forms that make up the content of any work.

Theatre of the oppressed, for example, just gives you a bunch of scenarios to act out, then asks you to piece together its meaning, from the positionalities you've been asked to act out. This is a really great way of expressing ideas across in a non-authoritarian way - simply allowing a person to arrive at whatever conclusion they arrive at.

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Splinglebot wrote

If a person is incapable of being clear, then, they must not really know what it is that they are on about.

As someone on the autistic spectrum I can assure you that this is not the case. I frequently find myself unable to articulate things that I otherwise had a decent understanding of, or at least unable to immediately. I can usually be clear but it often takes a while for me to do so

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rot wrote

I agree in a general sense. being overly academic cant help but hurt the cause, don't really see this from anarchists much. more of an issue with marxists and other leftists with an academic background.

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