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NEOalquimista wrote (edited )

Try not to assume for a second that the technology used for augmentation will always need to be pollutant/hazardous to the environment. We're just confident that we can improve how efficiently the energy is used for these devices, and that we can harvest that energy a lot more easily. Remember, we're not using fossil fuels, even the capitalist world is trying to replace them. It's all going towards clean energy. Maybe all comes down to waste disposal, which needs to be done properly. If you want to add something interesting to this conversation, those are my suggestions. Waste disposal, energy efficiency and autonomy for finding resources and building your own augments. You made those assumptions as if they were irrefutable facts already.

Oh, and I don't think transhumanism should be seen as a group of people "united" to put titanium on their balls. We're not:

a) not trying to accomplish any change to how society works. We just want to develop technology to improve our own functions, as long as it doesn't harm the ecosystem.

b) not united in any way. In fact, there's no point in considering transhumanists a different group or segment. There's no fight. No struggle here. Nothing that affects others necessarily.

But, look. I don't fight for transhumanism. I shouldn't feel offended by critics. I'm ready to give up this concept if it proves to be incompatible with a free and independent society. I'm just expressing this as a feeling of mine. If I can build my own augmentations and keep away from corporations, I'll do it. Because I like the idea of improving my fragile weird body.

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Defasher OP wrote

Try not to assume for a second that the technology used for augmentation will always need to be pollutant/hazardous to the environment.

But then I'd be basing my arguments on pure speculation - as long as energy negative technology doesn't exist, and as long as resources need to be extracted to create transhumanist technology, isn't it just purely theoretical and therefore not practical or useful to the world we exist in?

not trying to accomplish any change to how society works. We just want to develop technology to improve our own functions, as long as it doesn't harm the ecosystem.

This is new. So antranshumanists won't upgrade their bodies if the upgrades can't be created without harming the ecosystem? That changes things. But it also means you're not going to be able to uprade yourselves any time soon, while capitalist transhumanists won't wait.

Does that also take into consideration the advantages over other members of the ecosystem you'll have by giving yourself new functions?

Example if you have 4 hands robot hands in addition to your flesh hands and I just have the flesh hands, won't I become obsolete and not be able to compete with you?

not united in any way. In fact, there's no point in considering transhumanists a different group or segment. There's no fight. No struggle here. Nothing that affects others necessarily.

I'd be more willing to accept that if I didn't keep getting attacked by antranshumanists for being anticiv, and even accused of being transphobic and genocidal for no reason other than my opposition to civilization.

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