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vacuousaptitude wrote

Vegans are often racist and shitty as fuck. And this is not a simple accident. For many people an overwhelming desire to care for the nonhuman animals is bound up in not giving a fuck about dehumanised peoples.

Can I ask where you're getting this from? Of all the non-leftist groups I belong to vegans are the most likely to be leftist, radical, and anti oppression in all forms. I've never known a single vegan who was vegan because they don't care about oppressed humans. Normally it's the opposite, they become vegan because they are more compassionate to oppressed groups than others are. Because, let's be clear, non-human animals are by far and away the most oppressed group on earth right this moment.

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Tequila_Wolf wrote

It comes from years of life among anarchist vegans and poc in two of the most racist countries in the world. in both of them, it's commonstance to understand a white vegan as fundamentally suspicious as a standard among radical poc.

Adopting a position of leftist, radical, or anti-oppression in all forms has no necessary relation to how much you tackle your deep, many-layered internalised racism. The way our racism comes with its own learned invisibility means that huge swathes of leftists and radicals and whatever are racist in very substantial ways.

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vacuousaptitude wrote

Interesting, not all together surprising a lot of people suck at checking their privilege I just find it interesting that you associate it with veganism. Do you think it's important to challenge speciesism?

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Tequila_Wolf wrote

As I said, speciesism is fucked. So yes, it's important to challenge it.

https://mediadiversified.org/2015/12/16/veganism-has-a-serious-race-problem/ https://veganvoicesofcolor.org/2017/01/09/dismantling-white-veganism/ http://www.dailytexanonline.com/2017/04/04/vegans-must-feed-everyone-not-just-wealthy-white-people https://strivingwithsystems.com/2017/03/08/why-are-white-vegans-shook-when-you-talk-about-white-supremacy-and-capitalism-btw-they-should-be/ http://www.coreyleewrenn.com/the-white-privilege-in-vegan-moral-superiority/

These are just a few links from the first page of the first google search i did.

I know that there are places in europe where veganism is even outright associated with white supremacist groups. I've had comrades from france visit and their first assumption when they see vegans is that they are nazis. fortunately that's not the case where I live but, as I've said, there's a non-accidental link between much veganism and racism.