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Cheeks wrote

Good job, ziq!

Some thoughts and questions:

  1. Would you not agree that workplace collectivization is "Harm reduction" considering it alleviates some of the ill effects of industry and capitalism on humans? The same with collectivized housing? In order for us to be effective in creating a sustainable and ethical future we must first take care of ourselves and each other and through creating community it affords us the time, resources and energy to make a bigger impact. I know you are attributing the term solely to an environmental and ecological position .

  2. I typically reserve the phrase, "there's no ethical consumption under capitalism, " for liberal programs like the Banning of plastic straws and bags only to be replaced by paper products that force the continuation of deforestation. It isn't a solution, it's merely greenwashing established by marketing firms.

  3. The numbers associated with "planned obsolescence" and resource extraction alone is indicative of capitalisms almost sole responsibility for our near future's ecological collapse. Doesnt this support the fact that without insurrection and the full dismantling of capitalism and industrialization most lifestyle choices are merely harm reducing?

Good read over all.

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ziq wrote (edited )

Would you not agree that workplace collectivization is "Harm reduction" considering it alleviates some of the ill effects of industry and capitalism on humans?

Yes, I didn't mean to say unionizing is bad, just that it doesn't make people better than non-workers and it doesn't revolutionize anything - so people that go to union meetings shouldn't act like they're hot shit.

we must first take care of ourselves and each other and through creating community

I talked a lot about prefiguration in the piece without using the actual word. I renamed it to "shift the culture" to lose its negative connotation.

I typically reserve the phrase, "there's no ethical consumption under capitalism, " for liberal programs like the Banning of plastic straws and bags only to be replaced by paper products that force the continuation of deforestation. It isn't a solution, it's merely greenwashing established by marketing firms.

Sure, if that's where the slogan ended then that would be fine. But they push it further and further until it becomes a catch-all insult to mock anyone less red than them.

Doesnt this support the fact that without insurrection and the full dismantling of capitalism and industrialization most lifestyle choices are merely harm reducing?

Yes, did I suggest otherwise in the piece? I think I just said ethical choices is harm reduction and harm reduction is good.

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Cheeks wrote

"Doesnt this support the fact that without insurrection and the full dismantling of capitalism and industrialization most lifestyle choices are merely harm reducing?"

Yes, did I suggest otherwise in the piece? I think I just said ethical choices is harm reduction and harm reduction is good.

No, but it does kinda suggest, or seems to me to, that these lifestyle choices are enough, and somewhat implies an ethical superiority. Which it is noteworthy that if youre suggesting this in comparison strictly to an-coms, Socialists and communists, then I agree.

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ziq wrote

it does kinda suggest, or seems to me to, that these lifestyle choices are enough, and somewhat implies an ethical superiority

could you quote the parts that give you that impression so I can change the wording?

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Cheeks wrote (edited )

Sorry... Was held hostage and forced into wage slavery again to avoid starvation and homelessness. Stupid capitalism!

I don't know if you have made any edits since, but upon rereading I'm not spotting the part I took issue with?

I do want to say though, as a little a anarchist I'm not too concerned at how we arrive at anarchism, or even what form or model it exists as, as long as the basis is there and we get there. An-coms, coms, and socs need to be put in check often and honestly If history serves as the great marker that it is the coms and socs aren't an ally to anarchism by any stretch of the imagination and shouldn't be treated as such. That doesn't mean they aren't friends within community building and mutual aid networks, but we absolutely have to put them in check and keep them from usurping projects. Actually I have reservations about that last statement even....scratch that.

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ziq wrote

I haven't made any edits since OP posted it, plus the OP is reposting it from raddle's wiki, so if I was to edit it, it would only be the version in raddle's wiki that would change. I don't have any control over their site.

as a little a anarchist I'm not too concerned at how we arrive at anarchism, or even what form or model it exists as, as long as the basis is there and we get there.

I don't think society at large is going to get there, but I do think some of us can free ourselves from the constructs that surround us as collapse spreads, economies crumble, and states lose some of their reach.

keep them from usurping projects

Yeah and that also applies to first world chomsky / bookchin superfans who label themselves anarchists but are really minarchists looking to build friendlier states to tame our anarchy.

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ziq wrote (edited )

I wonder how well this piece will be received by a Greek audience since it's so critical of red anarchists. I've heard from a friend that there's a big divide in Athens between red and black anarchists, to the point where they're segregated in Exarchia because they keep clashing.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

over what issues are they confronting each other, in context? I am not as familiar as I'd like to be, and I'm wondering what you're referring to

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ziq wrote (edited )

Cool. I would translate it but I have too many projects as it is. I haven't even updated the Greek translation for postmill/raddle for more than a year.

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ziq wrote

It's okay, I write like an American because television.

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Catsforfun wrote

what is a red vs black anarchist?

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ziq wrote (edited )

Red are pro work, pro industry, pro collectivism, pro democracy.

Black are anti authority.

Red make excuses to justify authority like the 4 examples i listed.

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clock wrote

Is there any source on Kazakh nomads being 'kulaks' to the Soviets?

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ziq wrote

I'm not sure what you mean. Proof that they were genocided?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakh_famine_of_1932%E2%80%9333

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clock wrote

The article is sparse, so I was wondering more what the Soviet justification was specifically, and what it was founded on, since that doesn't mention it.

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