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josefStallman wrote

See the article is all correct but do we really want to be linking to ancap websites? Especially articles from 2010 saying that Ubuntu is really the best distro for new users.

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TheNewKing wrote

It doesn't really promote any ancap stuff. I think it's informative for people who don't know much about FOSS yet and outlines the dangers of proprietary software.

Ubuntu is fine starting point really. It's very likely to work for inexperienced users. Downside is that it's not 100% FOSS. Why do you think Ubuntu is not a good recommendation?

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josefStallman wrote

I've had major stability problems with ubuntu and it's derivatives, as well as a lack of good GUI-based applications to stand in for CLI tools.

I think that many distros designed specifically for people who don't know Linux fail to actually be user-friendly because so many of the things that people with the ability to design distros take for granted are out-of-this-world for people who are coming from a "never used a terminal" point.

Enterprise distros like Leap, Fedora, Tumbleweed, and centOS always feel like much better starter distros because they're meant to be much harder to break.

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TheNewKing wrote

I do have good experience with Fedora too, I use Korora myself. Compared to Ubuntu it's harder to install proprietary drivers if you wish. PPAs and Fedora repos are about equally easy to use, so that is nice. GUI is fairly similar and has mostly the same applications.

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josefStallman wrote (edited )

Fair. All you'd need is a tiny fork of Fedora or any of the others with RPMFusion baked in to solve that, though.

Edit: Which is apparently what Korora is, so cool.

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Lenny wrote

So what distro would you recommend we promote to noobs? I use Arch, personally, so I'm pretty far removed from the noob state of mind.

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ziq wrote (edited )

I personally don't like to push fully FOSS distros on people that have never used Linux. They need something with a lot of support (Ubuntu/Mint) or they'll be turned off from the get go. Hook them, and then when they know what they're doing, push them towards FOSS.

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josefStallman wrote

I don't disagree, I wouldn't either. But ubuntu-based distros consistently fail to hit the mark for me on stability and usability, the notable exception being KDE Neon, which is very well done.

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ziq wrote (edited )

ubuntu-based distros consistently fail to hit the mark for me

Would you extend that to Trisquel? I actually installed that on my mother's laptop when it first came out and she did fine with it (but she only needs a web browser and basic file management).

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josefStallman wrote

Generally, yeah. I've used trisquel a couple times, and I like it better than ubuntu, but stability hasn't been great. It'll probably work fine for a lot of use cases, but I wouldn't trust any ubuntu-based distro for a main machine.

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aiwendil wrote

I came here to make this same comment. I thought it was a decent article, but can somebody just steal it and put it on an ancom website since the guy doesn't believe in intellectual property, it shouldn't be a problem. lol

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Lenny wrote (edited )

done, stolen and slightly edited to remove the mention of anarcho-capitalism. but really, 99% of the sites we link to are both capitalist and statist. there aint much difference between linking to that site and the new york times.