The tyranny of likes, upvotes, and downvotes

Submitted by Snowy in Anarchism

What I writing here is the first thought when the first day I wrote posts on Reddit.

We know the buying of "likes" on Facebook.

https://audiencegain.com/facebook-fan-page-likes/

And you can buy comments if you can pay more.

https://www.buyrealmarketing.com/buy-facebook-comments

Buying upvotes and downvotes also.

https://upvotes.club/

Even views on youtube, Instagram, etc is buyable.

If everyone just buying likes, upvotes, and downvotes, no one uses them to express their own feelings, that would be totally pointless. Why buying likes exist is because there are so many people give credit to the system. It's something like the US dollars/currency. Most people giving credit to the likes, upvotes, downvotes, views, comments, and US dollar system, making it useful and reliable, and the small group of people can get whatever likes, upvotes, downvotes, views, comments, and US dollars they want.

And I sure this small group of people doesn't like real Anarchism.

It looks like is the group of people designs US dollar designs Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, etc, I don't know, but the method is very likely...The difference is currency control your material life," likes, upvotes, downvotes, views, comments, etc"control your minds. Therefore, they can control both of them now.

By the way, they don't allow you to block all of these "likes, upvotes, downvotes, views, comments" if you using their service. There is no free lunch.

I feel very very lonely. This is how the system treats someone knowing how it works very early.

:'(

I don't use Facebook and Twitter. When I use Reddit, I would just go to subreddit with very few subscribers or some topics upvotes doesn't matter.

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Fossidarity wrote (edited )

My theme (Fossidarity/TinyVotes) hides the votes if this annoys you on Raddle.

How this influenced me is that I don't already have a predefined perception of the comment/post by the big number on the side but instead by the actual content. This makes it a lot easier to avoid groupthink.

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ziq wrote

Praxis.

Unlike the rest of this thread calling for a vanguard.

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Snowy OP wrote

Thank you. Changed to TinyVotes theme.

But I am somehow knowing websites like raddle must be "take cared" seriously as those atheist websites.

(There are always some people always want to fight everyone and they don't talk like a real atheist but extremely hyperactive and looking for attack target)

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celebratedrecluse wrote

voting allows us to exert democratic power over discourse, which is important.

countermeasures for vote buying can and should be taken by communities like raddle.

the mainstream social media's (reddit, etc) failures to initiate effective countermeasures on vote buying is simply the result of their company benefiting financially from not taking those countermeasures.

not all opinions are equal, it is up to us to leverage force behind our convictions, convince others of their common cause with us, and use numbers, technical skill, & willpower to shape the conversations happening online. If it can be done efficiently, this is good praxis.

semper post

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Snowy OP wrote

Why democracy is right if votes are buyable?

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celebratedrecluse wrote

Well obviously you have to attack and destroy any markets that capitalize on social space, whether by patching the vulnerabilities in the server system or generalizing norms that restrict the use of downvotes for noxious content rather than just disagreements

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ziq wrote

How can we value your authority if we don't properly vet you??

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ziq wrote (edited )

Not good enough, IDs can be forged. Make them send you a stool sample so we can be extra safe.

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ziq wrote

Let's get you set up as raddle's official identity-certifier. You can fly all over the world collecting blood samples to make sure there ae no sneaky sockpuppets trying to ruin our democracy.

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ziq wrote

what sarcasm? I'm being 100% serious.

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ziq wrote

maybe hjek is being sarcastic about us being sarcastic?

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ziq wrote

Exclusive clubs ftw. Anarchy woo!

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ziq wrote (edited )

Non-exclusive club ftw!

yes!

Laissez-faire woo!

Uh... no, capitalism is an exclusive club.

Bring in the advertisers and the spam bots and the islamophobes: everyone welcome!

You're basically lobbying to build a wall along the Mexican border.

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ziq wrote

what do you have against people maintaining their security culture? why does everyone have to be identifiable on an anonymous internet forum?

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ziq wrote (edited )

If someone makes a good effortpost and it immediately drops to page 2 because of the flood of news links, I log into 3 or 4 different accounts and upvote it to rescue it from the sink so the user is rewarded for their effort.

Case in point

https://raddle.me/f/permaculture/58103/

Raddle / postmill doesn't store IP addresses for users marked as trusted, so I would absolutely consider it shady if their IPs were stored to prevent them from upvoting twice. Because a) i don't care if they upvote twice and neither should you and b) privacy is more important than an illogical attachment to sacred democracy; a concept which really has nothing to do with my anarchy and is best subverted rather than made systemic.

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throwaway wrote

Vote manipulation is easy on Raddle. We had a Python bot that could pour in over 200 up/downvotes in 10 minutes.

If you ask me, voting should be discarded.

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Snowy OP wrote

Agree.

But I don't think they would use this way if they want to manipulate Raddle. Raddle should be a "more expensive" target, they would use comments mainly.

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throwaway wrote

That's true, but voting still has an effect on the subconscious, even if you're actively trying to ignore it. Most people go into a thread with upvotes expecting to see something they'll agree with on a forum such as Raddle, and will be more likely to react positively to the post. At least that's my theory, but then again, this is coming mostly from my ass.

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bloodrose wrote

I pay attention to votes my comments get on raddle because I feel it helps me gauge if I am being a helpful member of the community. It tells me that someone wanted my comment and perhaps comments of a similar nature would be wanted in the future. This may not be a good idea on my part, but it is how I view the votes. Otherwise, I ignore them.

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ziq wrote

Similarly, I watch my downvotes to pick my feuds.

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10th_planet wrote

Never knew what was the reason for buying likes and upvotes. To show everyone you are cool? C'mon people are not so stupid to think 'upvoted' post is good if it's not good really. To increase self-esteem? But bots are not real people, they don't like you. Buying likes is the silliest way to spend money. Absolutely useless.

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Fossidarity wrote (edited )

It's a form of psychological manipulation because a lot of people their perception about things is based on (perceived) ratings/opinions of others. This is perceived stronger when it's in the form of a number or amount of stars or any other visual indicator.

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