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The problem of Reddit (and Raddle)

Submitted by Snowy in Anarchism

The problem of Reddit (and Raddle) they can't separate post written by users or just post a link. The downvote system is another problem.

Most posts on Reddit just a link to the mainstream media. They should set a "written by users(+ set as default) " button on every subreddit to separate 2 different kinds of posts, otherwise, everyone just reading what the mainstream media want them to read and lead to less communication to others. Maybe this is the original purpose of Reddit. (Although Raddle is not such "mainstream")

The downvote(and karma) system is a thing to threatening people: how dare are you not being mainstream? I know there are some assholes often getting downvotes, but this is very bad for self-expression of the minorities. And I am sure they can buying downvotes as buying "likes" on Facebook. So if you wealthy enough, and you hate a certain topic, you can buy tons of downvotes for it.

It's too easy and simple to see through what these websites are doing...Give space for anyone have enough money to control what sheeps thinking.

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mofongo wrote (edited )

The problem of Reddit (and Raddle) they can't separate post written by users or just post a link.

If you use the "fuck" theme you will see different notifications if the post is a link or a text post [Aa].

The downvote(and karma) system is a thing to threatening people: how dare are you not being mainstream? I know there are some assholes often getting downvotes, but this is very bad for self-expression of the minorities.

Yep, that's why on Raddle votes only affect placement (and number of comments usually take precedence over votes) and there's no karma counter here. No matter how much you're (up/down) voted it does not affect your ability to comment or post.

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betterletter wrote (edited )

fuck theme is the best. thanks @ whoever created it

edit: oh shit looks like you created it. thanks friend!

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celebratedrecluse wrote

I really don't think we should change anything about the way the site is laid out rn. getting rid of voting and replacing it with most recent will just encourage brigading when the site grows in popularity. rn, voting does not impact visibility, as on reddit (-5 and below are hidden by default). that's egalitarian enough for me, the people I see downvoted to oblivion are people who are posting in bad faith or have really bad/toxic POVs

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Snowy wrote

Because raddle is a community with very few active members,"buyers for likes" even not bother to buy them.

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surreal wrote

we had people up/dowvoting with bots but they didn't achieve much. the fact that raddle is a small community makes it easier to spot things like that.

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rot wrote

I'm all for removing the vote system and ranking by 'most commented on' and 'most recent'.

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KentTheramine wrote

I'd actually like to ask how downvoting affects users here on Raddle because I can barely see any resembling Karma System

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hjek wrote (edited )

The downvote(and karma) system is a thing to threatening people:

What do you see as a replacement for this kind of system? Should threads / comments just be sorted by most recent?

Have you seen the voting system on lobste.rs (no relation to JP) where you have to provide a reason for downvoting? Any opinion on that design?

What about HN-style flag/vouch? (which they in that case have in addition to a voting system)

I also see some problems with voting, BUT at least users can participate in post filtering, and the alternative to this is s a strictly hierarchical system where a special class of users (mods) have the power to censor everyone else's posts. I know Raddle already has this class-based system, but it's in combination with this more egalitarian voting system.

Do you think the problem is with the voting system as such, or just how people use it here?

What would be an anarchist way of sorting / moderating forum posts? What would be the best analogue to how you conduct meetings IRL? (i.e. what is the process for who/when to tell annoying people to be quiet or leave, etc)

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Snowy wrote

I think the xenforo forum can solve this problem. It showing who gave the "likes".

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n_n wrote

There has been a conversation about this before. I think that the vote numbers should be hidden.

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surreal wrote

no hiding things is never a solution. it would make it easier to abuse.

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ziq wrote

it doesn't have to be hidden. there can be a wiki that explains exactly what the score is measured by.

and it would be a lot harder to abuse than the current system that only requires upvote bots to manipulate. It would require real conversation to get a high score.

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n_n wrote

It could still be visible to the moderators, so they can identify problematic posts, and for the OP, but with an option to be hidden in the user settings.