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hjek wrote (edited )

It's a diverse movement, but I'm still not sure I feel good about a protest that seeks to lower fuel prices and abolish speed limits. I get that it's a class revolt, but it has explicit automobilist anti-environmental overtones, so presumably it'll die down once they achieve their goal of reduced taxation on cars and fossil fuels and deregulation of car traffic..?

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ziq wrote

whatever their original motivations are aren't really important; as long as they're constantly warring with the state and the state is responding violently, they'll grow increasingly radical.

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hjek wrote

I hope you're right.

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existential1 wrote

There's also no cheaper fuel than removing the need for it. If you can live your life with a bike, your fuel costs are nil.

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hjek wrote

Exactly! That's why I worry about what I see as a pro-car message from the Yellow Vests, and why I would not get behind it.

While smashing traffic cams on one hand is destruction of police property (which I don't have objections against), it's also arguing that speed limits are oppressive (which is a strong anti-pedestrian / anti-bicyclist agenda).

Cars are oppressive because cars kill. Speed limits don't kill.

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videl wrote

i think diverse is good. since it's not so homogenized they are less governable.

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ziq wrote

Their refusal to accept leaders is their biggest strength; something even outright anarchist movements fail to do.

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hjek wrote

I thought anarchists were ok with hierarchies as long as they're just?

If not: Mods have power over other users here. Let's make everyone mod!