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Plaidbeard89 wrote

I have exactly the thing. We simply do a giant migrant caravan from capitalism. We encourage everybody who is so tired and broken up about the lives that we have now, to go camping indefinitely at the Grand Canyon. It's been postulated that if 10% of the global workforce said, "Fuck you, I quit!", and completely left the workforce, it would trigger a global recession. That sort of shit could ruin a lot more than a country. So, that's what I'm pushing for. We plan, we get permits, we arm up, we stock up, and in about 3-6 months, we're on strike from the world at large. The easiest way for this is a roster, massive outreach messages, and a resource pool, where our comrades that have more than they need at the moment can help others in our group. If everybody is seriously preparing for life away from the way things are right now, then we need to push that people actually adopt a different lifestyle that is actually balanced with our planet and gives us community and purpose. We can do it, we just need to actually get faith in something and convince everyone around ourselves to just take a big step away from the world that is going to kill them and into one that will save them. That's it. No malice, no government overthrow, just a long vacation until we get a new society up and running. We can do it, especially in this day and age. We're global. We can help people escape what they have now and join us somewhere else in almost no time comparatively, and when this happens, the system will crumble and have no one to lash out at. It doesn't even have to be in one place either! We could do this all across the globe for as long as we need to.

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Plaidbeard89 wrote

Oh ho, but! There's a seed vault there that contains primarily southwestern food crops which the Hopi have been utilizing for thousands of years. They have been known to be fairly peaceful with visitors, so I think that as long as we stay polite and respectful that they'll be mostly ok with teaching us ways to survive.

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Plaidbeard89 wrote

I don't know, the Grand Canyon seems too perfect. There's a seed vault there, and a tribe with the know how to live on the land. That's 2 of my main reasons anyway.

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Plaidbeard89 wrote

Oddly enough, you can just walk right up to it. If you really want to be super duper prepared you can just order some of what they have and bring it with you. Here's the link: https://www.nativeseeds.org While it is in Tuscon, it's not that bad of a trip across the desert. 6ish hours by car or 5 days on foot from the Grand Canyon. Anyway, my main idea is to go full permaculture, based on what the Hopi say about how those native plants grow best, but I'm also planning to keep another group of crops growing hydroponically as a little bit of insurance, juuuuust in case we can't grow quite enough the good old fashioned way.

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Plaidbeard89 wrote

Easier still is raising ducks and potatoes. All you need to keep ducks fed is duckweed, and all that needs to grow is any size pond and lots of piss.

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Plaidbeard89 wrote

Lol I mean, they stick around if there's food and a place to sleep. Those happy little bastards don't care what goes on around them. Plus, I would just keep them mostly for eggs and poopy to grow the rest of my crops.

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ziq wrote

I started with 2 ducks and they bred and now I have 10. I'd have more if some of them hadn't flown away. They don't sit on the eggs until they've finished laying a full clutch, so if you take them, they just keep laying until they hit that number (6-10).

I trade the eggs or feed them to my dogs.

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ziq wrote

I have pet ducks. They're great at pest control.

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ziq wrote

Idk about that. They'll tear through a lettuce in no time.

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ziq wrote (edited )

why do you need permits to drop out of society? just curious, I'm not an American so idk how stuff works there.

I like the idea of a dropout march tho.

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Plaidbeard89 wrote

Yeah, it's the epitome of privilege, but it's true. As long as you have paperwork/ money, holy shit can you just do what the fuck ever you want. So, that's where this moment of brilliance shines through. We're not homeless, we're vacationing. And when we feel refreshed enough to return back to society, then we will do so. i.e. You need us way more than we need you, and good luck finding help without us. That way, we've set up our public perception and behavior from the very beginning in the right way. No aggression at all, but fully ready to fight back. Leave us alone; you can't force us to work for you, one way or another.

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ziq wrote

what happens if you squat an empty field without a permit?

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Majrelende wrote

It depends on where the field is. For example, in the town where I live, it would be risky to squat a field directly next to the road, but there are usually no police here, so unless someone found them and thought these people were threatening, they would be mostly safe. Even then, a forest would be preferable to a field, at least to squat temporarily, as many places within them can be far from any road, making it difficult for the police to find the squat, especially if they are not even in the town in the first place.

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