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asdfasdf wrote (edited )

Reply to comment by ziq in Decentralizing Raddle by ziq

I've seen quite a lot of projects which start as a centralised service but somehow everyone gets confused on how to make it decentralised. You have to consider what is too tricky to do at a distance, such as counting votes, and work out alternative solutions. (Votes aren't very good actually. People are quite different and just averaging out people's opinions isn't the best solution.)

Nettle did work but I overestimated what could be done with a relatively simple format and system. Netfarm's had a lot of refinement and theory applied and I've talked to several interested people who have contributed to the design. I've had messages from people who have experience with decentralised systems and folks who implement object systems for their day job.

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ziq OP wrote (edited )

It only 'works' when the software actually translates to a functioning communicative ecosystem that people want to use.

And isn't made by you.

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asdfasdf wrote (edited )

It would work if people were interested. Raddle and Postmill have that since you're somewhat of an influencer -- I'm not though. The main hurdles for web based nettle were to get object parsing and signatures working in the browser. I don't know much JavaScript and I'd rather not touch it with a ten foot pole, so I can't work on that. Writing markdown documents and using putfile worked perfectly fine though.

Edit since you did: popularity breeds complacency since you don't have to work for your following. Maybe trying to filter spam and bogus votes would be useful. I'm not the only person working on netfarm either, there's four of us designing and implementing our ideas. Ian's putting a lot of work into setting up a documentation system and they're certainly as much of a netfarm hacker as I am.

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ziq OP wrote (edited )

I'm gonna be perfectly blunt with you. The reason nettle didn't work was because the code wasn't up to snuff. I'm no coder but I've spoken to people that are and every one of them told me the same thing. You're still in high school so it's no big deal that you're inexperienced at coding, but there's no point in giving people false promises so that they get hyped for what is essentially vaporware.

You're not ready to code something this complicated while you're still learning. Decentralized software is as complex as it gets.

popularity breeds complacency since you don't have to work for your following

Ha. You have no idea how much work goes into bringing people here (despite your multiple attempts to sabotage those efforts). It's like a full time job just countering all the propaganda.

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asdfasdf wrote

The reason nettle didn't work was because the code wasn't up to snuff. Arrogant ego jerk goes here.

Who did you ask? ("Yourself" doesn't count.) You can't write a fucking CSS theme.

You're not ready to code something this complicated while you're still learning. Decentralized software is as complex as it gets.

Emma once told me I'd be able to write a lot more complex stuff than her very soon. I've surprised a lot of people, including professionals with PhDs, with what I've done and said in places like #lisp.

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ziq OP wrote (edited )

I mean, you're currently talking to me on a forum that uses one of my css themes. They might be hacked together, but they work.

And just so we're clear: emma isn't one of the people I asked, so don't go harassing her again.

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asdfasdf wrote (edited )

Don't pretend you're any good at theming. Ever seen /f/newwave? That was eye hurting material. All your good themes are just hacks around shiningwing's material themes and my various themes.

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this_one wrote

I don't know much about the computer words, but isn't /f/newwave's theme more an issue of design and colour theory than an issue of coding?

It's not the most pleasant shade of green (unless it's blue rip), but it does function and, like, change the colours, right?

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ziq OP wrote

It's just a palette swap of the fresh theme. there are a dozen variations of that theme in bright pastel colors as well as more muted colors; to suit every taste. That particular version (like all the 'pastel' versions) is garish by design.

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asdfasdf wrote

I'll admit yes, colour theory is always important but there were noticeable problems with the theme itself. Visited links were an almost unreadable shade of grey since ziq forgot to add a:visited to the list of things that should have link colours.

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ziq OP wrote (edited )

Since I threw all those pastel variations together in a few hours after you and shiningwing insisted all your themes be deleted when you left, and I wanted to replace them with something so all the forums that used them would still have a theme, I don't really get your beef. Just don't use that theme. Or alternatively, don't use this site since you seem to hate everything about it and the code behind it.

EDIT: I just checked and the visited links on that forum are fine on my monitor... It didn't need a:visited.

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ziq OP wrote

Last I checked none of my themes use your code or shiningwing's and I really don't care about this conversation.

You're openly ban evading now, btw.

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asdfasdf wrote

Spamming Reddit is usually a good way to get views, as long as you don't mind the traffic.

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ziq OP wrote (edited )

People don't use this site because I promote it on reddit. They use it because it's a great community that we've all worked hard to curate. Getting clicks doesn't create a community.

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