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asg101 wrote

"If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal."

~Emma Goldman

That's how long I have been tired of it.

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Splinglebot wrote

recently got downvoted on r/politics for suggesting that voting was not the most effective way of causing meaningful change

I tried to give examples of rights and privileges that were not earned because people voted for slightly better rulers such as the abolition of slavery, the eight hour work day, minimum wage, the civil rights movement, but apparently "all of these things required politicians to do something who people voted for". Seriously people, politicians don't give a fuck about you or your vote. They'll only ever budge when the system's power is put under threat.

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edmund_the_destroyer wrote

I'm sympathetic to the perspective that voting is meaningful. We're taught that in school and it's an implicit assumption in mainstream media.

My formal education covered trigonometry, geometry, Shakespeare, diagramming sentences, the Civil War, the Roman Empire, and World War 2 in elaborate detail. It probably had less than two weeks of content, total, on the Civil Rights movement, the labor movement, the women's suffrage movement (which by definition accomplished its goals without voting rights), and so forth. And anarchist philosophy and political theory were not mentioned at all. We read 1984 and Animal Farm in class but were never told - our teachers probably didn't even know - he was an anarcho-communist.

So even as one of those highly educated liberal elites at age 35, most of the ideas that are common on this site were alien to me. Is it any surprise I believed in voting as the primary instrument of change?

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surreal wrote

since i was born, i came to the world being tired of this bullshit.

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ziq wrote

No one I know gives a shit about voting.

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noordinaryspider wrote

"Stop complaining and vote" does not make logical sense and sounds like victim-blaming and silencing the voices of people who have genuine issues.

Can I try to explain?

Does everybody in the State of California need to STFU? People in the State of California were certainly allowed to vote after Donald Trump had already won enough electoral votes in the East Coast of the United States of America for it to be rational to believe that Donald Trump would be the new President of the United States of America before most normal Californians were able to leave their normal jobs, smoke their normal pipes, drink their normal martinis, and get ready to go to their normal polling places.

All these normal people in their normal lives in their normal California homes in their normal United States of America might have felt a bit glum. They might have decided to express their emotions by voting for Hilary Clinton, but the normal people in their normal California in their normal United States of America knew that expressing their feelings could not change reality.

Some of these normal people might have chosen to express their normal feelings by checking the normal box for "none of the above" or "write-in candidate". That is normal. Feelings are normal. Maybe it made the normal people feel better to check that box and write "Donald Duck" instead of checking the box for Hilary Clinton.

Feelings are normal. The normal people expressed their normal feelings normally. They knew that Donald J. Trump was going to be the next president of the United States of America no matter how they felt about it.

Some people who aren't normal might have stayed home, gotten drunk, sucked their thumbs, had sex, or done other non-normal-people things because that made their feeling stop hurting faster than voting for Hilary Clinton would have.

I think the normal people have a right to feel feelings even if they voted for Donald Duck instead of Hilary Clinton. I think the not-normal people have a right to feel their not-normal feelings too.

Feeling feelings isn't a crime. Donald J. Trump is the President of the United States of America. This makes some people feel feelings. I do not believe that anyone has the right to tell somebody else what feelings they are allowed to feel.

I genuinely believe that I talk too much so I am going to shut up after I say one more thing:

If you are a citizen of the United States of America and you didn't vote, I don't hate you and you can complain to me all you want.

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AresUII wrote

FPTP sucks and all, but at least there are primaries and at least Democrats are nerfing superdelegates again. Just sayin'.

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0819181222 wrote

i’m sympathetic to people who vote as a way of reducing harm in their everyday lives, i’m thinking of non-white folks in the US specifically.

however i want absolutely no part of it and i’m so sick of the propaganda.

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Zzzxxxyyy wrote

Who else is tired of the “stop voting and complain” propaganda?

Not that the alternative was MUCH better, but the globalists were/are pissed Donald won. I would argue we need more people voting, not less. And, if history has anything to teach us, it’s that rock bottom is pretty far down there and it can take a long time to climb your way back out.

I’m not telling you to vote, but it does leave the way wide open for the very worst in our society to take over.

I heard the most compelling argument for voting third party yet. In the US, If a third party gets enough votes in the previous election they automatically get on the ballot, meaning they can use the meager resources they have during the general election instead of trying to get on the ballot. 🤷🏻‍♂️