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Unity with tankies should be rejected just as readily as unity with fascists

Submitted by ziq in Anarchism (edited )

Any attempt at comradeship with a tankie is doomed to fail. Regardless of what they claim, tankies aren't interested in any form of debate, compromise, or exchange of ideas with anarchists or communists. Their only goal is to give their dangerous ideology an appearance of legitimacy. To wrongly represent it as a legit form of communism so they may further pollute radical politics with their tyrannical capitalist cult.

Anarchy is pure anathema to the tankie. We espouse opposition to authoritarianism, hierarchy, bureaucracy, state-sanctioned violence, prisons, worker exploitation, ecosystem destruction, state-capitalism and imperialism. This makes us, to the tankie, "reactionary counter-revolutionary imperialist scum". Doublespeak like this is one of their defining traits.

Behind closed doors, they see us as a threat to their plans for strongman dictatorships, cults of personality, mega-industrial capitalism and gulags as far as the eye can see. We are vermin to the tankie; fit only to be ridiculed and then swiftly exterminated once they seize power. Anarchy is their absolute worst fear. Anarchists are the biggest threat to their plans for party dictatorship.

They latch onto our movements and gradually corrupt them with their reactionary rhetoric and divide-and-conquer tactics. Their goals aren't even slightly aligned with ours, but they use shame and cries of victimization to squirrel themselves into our spaces. Their demands for 'left unity' and an end to 'divisiveness' are obvious wolves in sheep's clothing and should be rejected outright.

We can't lose sight of the historical fact that genocide, nationalism, capitalism, bigotry, imperialism, struggle sessions and mass incarceration are some of the central tenets of ML(M) practice, and whether they admit it publicly or not, something all tankies believe is necessary to ensure their vanguard's dictatorship and cement their own power on the hierarchy.

Their only purpose in engaging you is to normalize their toxic beliefs and make us accepting of their presence in radical groups so they can grow their ranks.

If you welcome tankies into your spaces, if you engage tankies in civil discourse, if you entertain their repugnant ideas or buy into their absurd notions of 'left unity', then they have already succeeded in poisoning your movement and rendering it useless.

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therealmidnite wrote

It's going to require far, far more than diatribes against the authoritarian left to close the huge gaping wound that the left has been haemorrhaging credibility from since 1920. What is required is a complete theoretical consensus to finally and permanently sever the anti-authoritarian from the authoritarian as thoroughly as the anarchist's theoretical understanding of the fascist separates him or her from said fascists. Anarchism has consistently failed to produce such an effective consensus during the last century, and one has to wonder whether such a consensus can be constructed purely in "traditional" anarchist terms - after all, even us anarchists still conform to the practice of aligning our politics according to 200-year old French seating arrangements. Perhaps our politics have grown too dogmatic... I don't know, but I have always suspected that if there's a future for anti-authoritarianism, that future may not necessarily be anarchist.

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ziq wrote

Perhaps our politics have grown too dogmatic

very much so, especially if we're talking about ancoms who are still using the same guidebook from the dawn of the industrial age.

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scumtacular wrote

Hey, maybe this isn't the place to ask, but could someone illustrate the differences between "tankies" and "traditional leftists" I guess I just mean like a Marxist? Honestly I could use a whole run down for the different aspects of the left. Based on what I know I just identify as a marxist and anticapitalist.

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theblackcat wrote

Marxists are followers of Marx, who cowrote the communist manifesto. Marxist Leninists are followers of Lenin, a Soviet dictator. Lenin implemented state capitalism and openly referred to it as such.

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scumtacular wrote

And all that in relation to tankies?

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theblackcat wrote

Depending on who you ask, either all Marxist Leninists and Marxist Leninist Maoists are tankies, or only those who defend the bad stuff ML/M regimes were responsible for... I don't think there's any difference because why would someone identify with a label responsible for so much tyranny unless they were a sketchy authoritarian?

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ziq wrote (edited )

They're also almost always ready to defend Stalin and Mao, which is the biggest issue I have. If it were just Lenin, then they'd just be on the level of garden variety libs (execute / gulag anyone that opposes the state). But stalin and mao were outright genocidal tyrants (execute gays, teachers, and everyone that looks at you funny).

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Zzzxxxyyy wrote

Aren’t all communists tankies now?

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kittybecca wrote (edited )

No, not really. Some people try to make it seem like that, especially those with a vested interest in blurring the lines between different forms of communism, but it's in our interest to defend the distinction. In my view, a tankie is even worse than a Marxist-Leninist; they're a Marxist-Leninist who defends every decision of the Soviet Union, every action of Stalin, etc., thus being more extreme and dogmatic than members of the actual leadership of the USSR.

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ziq wrote (edited )

Nah ancoms and leftcoms are fine. Just a little idealistic (ancoms) and elitist (leftcoms).

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ziq wrote

Can the downvoters offer their reasoning please?

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ergdj5 wrote

makhno killed fifty gorillion ukrainian jews and the kronstadt sailors were actually white russians

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Cheeks wrote

Are you referring to the Ukrainian Nationalists, the Imperial German and Austro-German occupyers, the Hetmanate Republic, the Russian White Army, the Russian Red Army, or some other smaller forces led by Ukrainian otamans?

I'm honestly interested, cite please?

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ziq wrote

It's good that anarchy isn't a personality cult defined by one self proclaimed anarchist then.

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ergdj5 wrote

That was sarcasm, if it wasn't clear.

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ziq wrote

Yeah I thought you were a little off on those facts.

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ergdj5 wrote

Yeah, tankies often claim that 1. Makhno was anti-Semitic (he literally executed officers in his army who were anti-Semitic) and 2. The Kronstadt sailors were reactionary

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ziq wrote

everyone tankies kill is 'reactionary' I guess. to them it just means 'not a tankie'.