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shanoxilt wrote

“Perhaps the greatest strike against philosophical pessimism is that its only theme is human suffering. This is the last item on the list of our species’ obsessions and detracts from everything that matters to us, such as the Good, the Beautiful, and a Sparking Clean Toilet Bowl. For the pessimist, everything considered in isolation from human suffering or any cognition that does not have as its motive the origins, nature, and elimination of human suffering is at base recreational, whether it takes the form of conceptual probing or physical action in the world—for example, delving into game theory or traveling in outer space, respectively. And by “human suffering,” the pessimist is not thinking of particular sufferings and their relief, but of suffering itself. Remedies may be discovered for certain diseases and sociopolitical barbarities may be amended. But those are only stopgaps. Human suffering will remain insoluble as long as human beings exist. The one truly effective solution for suffering is that spoken of in Zapffe’s “Last Messiah.” It may not be a welcome solution for a stopgap world, but it would forever put an end to suffering, should we ever care to do so. The pessimist’s credo, or one of them, is that nonexistence never hurt anyone and existence hurts everyone. Although our selves may be illusory creations of consciousness, our pain is nonetheless real.”

― Thomas Ligotti, The Conspiracy Against the Human Race

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captaindread1 wrote

This is not against materialism, that is, physical pain. Indeed is against the alienation that the sacred "Self" impose against the society as a whole.

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shanoxilt wrote

Oh, Ligotti agrees with you. He has a lot of good quotes for a non-political writer. (The book in question is in fact a horror novel.)

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ntm wrote

I have some sympathies with what the author is trying to communicate, but when they use language such as "quantum changes" it can lead to many challenges when it comes to physicists trying to communicate quantum mechanics to a general audience. Describing it as "quantum" intends not to describe something accurately, but to pull in the weight of another frontier of science unnecessarily, ("quantum" becomes a meaningless buzzphrase).

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surreal wrote

i think what he means by quantum is that jump from one state to another without any intermediate states, nothing to do with quantum mechanics.

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ntm wrote

I get that, but why not use "discontinuous" or something less ambiguous?

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surreal wrote

yep he probably should but quantum also implies that the states are discrete and measurable. anyway the concept of quantum is like a century old and these new interdisciplinary sciences like to borrow buzzwords.

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zorblax wrote (edited )

uhm

this is not new information.

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captaindread1 wrote

Probably the religious tradition of individual salvation has contributed fiercely to the fact that certain neural networks have been favored, thus enhancing the current hyper-individualist vision of society.

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surreal wrote

sup egoists?

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surreal wrote

Yeah i get that there are solid concepts i just like to tease my egoist friends. We surely should consider both of these brain mechanisms in order to know ourselves.