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ArmyOfNone wrote

Hey Cyberdandy. I was just wondering how didja get so wealthy apparently. Just curious, no worries.

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cyb3rd4ndy OP wrote

Aragorn helped me build a DevOps resume by having me work for him. After doing datacenter work for a while, I finally got a DevOps job. If you want to learn about linux admin stuff email me at [email protected]

I don’t have a business I could hire you on at and help you with that part, but if you think computer shit is a skill you want to develop, I’m happy to help.

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ArmyOfNone wrote (edited )

Aragorn was so deep into IT as to be into DevOps? I thought he worked into hotels?

How odd.

Coding is that field of interest that's distasteful as fuck to me, but also pathologically disconnected from the real world. I dunno... it can be convenient for a good paycheck and to keep the brain busy... but when I think of all the small school teachers struggling with shit conditions while bot developers make millions, I'm like... what the fuck are you people on to? Really.

Thanks for the offer, I'll think about it.

And yes, this kinda answers my question.

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cyb3rd4ndy OP wrote

Well I hardly do any coding and neither did Aragorn. Either way it is boring as fuck.

Anyway, I think all this shit is worth taking about. I think it’s good that you asked about this.

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ArmyOfNone wrote (edited )

Either way it is boring as fuck.

So glad finally someone else says it! :)

Indicator of an abysmal professional milieu is when its people so much love to talk of technical details of their jobs, outside of working hours.

But how did you and Aragorn do DevOps without coding? I don't see what kind of tasks or practices this entails, irl.

I'll read your text about the identity project. I do agree for the most part with that previous one about the "impossibility" of identity.

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cyb3rd4ndy OP wrote (edited )

DevOps is operations (systems administration) for developers. Developers are the people who code, while operations are the people who make sure things work… like the server hardware, the operating systems, and some of the software used by developers. Doing that usually doesn’t require coding, outside of some light scripting. The goal is to let the developers focus on what they’re doing and surprisingly, a lot of developers don’t actually know a lot about the operating systems and the hardware they use. They will know all sorts of shit about the programming languages, frameworks, libraries, editors, web browsers, graphics engines, etc. but their scope isn’t much bigger than that. We build the playground and they go play in it.

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ArmyOfNone wrote

You mean like running web services, including a web site, so that developers can work on the code to improve it? Beyond that, the notion of what could be such a playground for developers seems vague to me.

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cyb3rd4ndy OP wrote

Yeah kind of…

The way that a big company divides IT is like this:

  • Datacenter Techs: they make sure the hardware works
  • Networking Techs: they make sure the hardware can talk to each other
  • Database Admins: they make sure that the databases are optimized and have all the right categories for data (schemes)
  • Systems Admins: they make sure that the OS works, that services are running (web servers, database software, containers, virtual machines, etc.) and that everything is up-to-date and being backed-up and monitored.
  • Developers: they create the actual software, whether it’s a game, a website or webapp, or a desktop app

When companies get even bigger, they’ll create even more teams:

Firewall DevOps SecOps Site Reliability Identity and Access Management Inventory Management Logging Disaster Recovery Cloud Engineering etc. etc. etc. etc.

Long-story short, a lot of these jobs don’t require much coding. They may require an understanding of how coding happens, but a lot of it is more about knowing what products are best for what situation, how to configure them correctly, how to scale them up and down, how to troubleshoot them when they break, etc.

A DevOps engineer needs to be able to work with developers and get them what they need. This usually doesn’t mean hardware, but that’s because the way most shit works now is that no one uses dedicated hardware… they use virtual hardware. So that means a DevOps person sometimes has to deal with the virtual hardware for developers too: virtual servers, virtual loadbalancers, virtual databases, etc. Sometimes the virtual stuff is actually Google’s, or Amazon’s, or Microsoft’s but other times it’s done within a company using hardware like ESXI or software like KVM. Some stuff is open source, some is proprietary. On top of all of that, there’s also certificates that need to be managed because they expire after a year or two. There’s various back-up solutions that sometimes a DevOps person needs to manage. There’s various monitoring software that collects log files into one place to create dashboards that give a quick picture of the health of stuff.

So the developers don’t worry about any of that stuff above. They worry about writing code, compiling it, testing it (to some extent), patching it, creating visual interfaces for it (this is the difference between front-end and back-end software development), working with end-users on feature requests, and usually doing all of that in a cycle …like with Agile, or SCRUM, or whatever.

They are fairly different skill sets. As a computer user, I mostly use computers for news, reading, watching shit, listening to music, chatting. I don’t game a lot. I don’t run a business like a hospital or a law firm. What I care most about is getting to the media I want for as cheap as possible. So my skill set grew out of that. Database people come from that hospital and law firm type of world… places that generate a lot of data: records, account data, transactions, etc. Developers… a lot of them are gamers. Some come from math backgrounds. Some other typical backgrounds. DevOps people are basically systems administrators and linux systems administrators are basically people like me. Security people are often ex-military or systems administrators. Datacenter techs are also often ex-military and are generally more blue collar. At least this is how it is for Americans. A lot of tech labor for American companies live in other countries. All this sociology is interesting…

Anyway, yeah so Aragorn did a lot of hosting. Obviously anarchist news, but he hosted tons of other stuff. Hosting is systems administration. But Aragorn also built his own systems and shit, so he could be a datacenter tech if he wanted. He was about to get more into cloud administration and I don’t know where he was at with that when he passed. But he wasn’t like, writing code for some shit on a smart phone.

Anyway, that hopefully fills in the knowledge gaps.

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ArmyOfNone wrote (edited )

Thanks for putting all the effort in elaborating! So basically these are typical NSA jobs, got it. ;-)

I was about to start a course in webdev, so your help might be appreciated at some point. Tho there's a high likelihood that webdev might bore me to death. Netadmin looks a bit more appealing to me.

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NoPotatoes wrote

Humanity is not just a collectivity of individuals deluded by cultural distinctions into believing that they are truly different from one another even though we are really all the same

Is there a follow up to this? seems like you say "it is not just this", but that means you think it is partly that?

this becomes problematic if there is no such thing [as] a stable people to be governed, nor in whose name the State governs

Not sure if I really follow the grammar here.

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cyb3rd4ndy OP wrote

Anyway, I’m still hashing out some of this stuff about the liberal democratic republic and how identity plays into it, which is why I ended this the way I did. But if you want to explore some of those questions here then I’m cool with that!

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cyb3rd4ndy OP wrote (edited )

Correct. I believe in collectivities. I also believe in more than collectivities.

I don’t know what your problem is with the second statement. Maybe it’s the grammar or maybe there is another reason you don’t follow the argument.

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NoPotatoes wrote

The last clause in that sentence ("nor...") just doesn't seem to flow grammatically. I can kind of piece together the intent/argument.

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